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E11: A Steady 9-5 job after Being an Owner: is it possible?
Explore the world of entrepreneurship with us on this episode of Chronicles of Caffeine and Ambition, where we delve into the challenges and joys of owning a business versus working 9 to 5. From family influences on the daily grind, join us as we share our personal journeys and insights into making work a passion. Tune in now!
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Stacey
On today's episode, we're going to talk about business ownership.
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Meghan
Reverse 9 to 5.
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Stacey
Yeah.
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Meghan
Sorry I stole your line, then So this is what it would be like if you had to work a 9 to 5 and somebody could tell her what to do.
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Stacey
Or it wouldn't go very well. I'm just saying.
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Meghan
Let's Stace said ownership versus nine to five
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Stacey
Okay. That was good. That was better than mine, Meg Good job.
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Meghan
Well, how have to be involved in it. but Zoey said you're the start. I know you have to start it.
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Stacey
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Meghan
Okay, so obviously, we started off with a job. We didn't have a business when we were little. That's not necessarily true, but, alas, that question later. Okay, so as a 9 to 5, I started in like, as a teenager when we started a job. What was your first job like? Do you remember the first few things that you did?
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Stacey
yeah, absolutely. The first was babysitting of course I think for a lot of kids my age, girls mostly were babysitters. that’s what you did. And then, went to I did housecleaning for a little bit. That was awful.
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Meghan
Yeah. So you wouldn't go back to that one?
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Stacey
No. Not babysitting. either there wasn't
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Meghan
That's fair.
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Stacey
I did, what did I do?
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Meghan
I remember. Do you remember when mom worked? one of the quilt places that she worked at. And the husband had a,
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Stacey
Hair studio. Oh, my gosh, I forgot about that.
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Meghan
So I was there, was working for cash because I don't remember what age I was, but she was going to school. Yeah. So I remember stocking shelves, and I do technically count that is my first job.
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Stacey
Well, yeah, because you were working.
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Meghan
I was working, but a weird, weird job did not like not anything I wanted to do. I think it was more just because I had to go with her. So what was I going to do other than dinner and stare at her the entire time?
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Stacey
Yeah.
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Meghan
and then of real job, I think I think here, like in the seamstress department, was my first actual job. It was a long time ago. I didn't change jobs much until I left the country.
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Stacey
Yeah. Then you changed jobs a lot. Yeah.
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Meghan
then I change a lot. okay. So do you think, like mom, mom had jobs after. After a time? Because when she raised us, she was at home.
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Stacey
Yeah, mom. Like, from the time mom had kids. So there's three of us. So the. By the time mom had, all of us stayed at home and then raised us and babysat so that, you know, to bring in some extra cash. And how old were you? Yeah. Like.
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Meghan
I was pretty young because I remember she bought me that book that Bernstein Bears book about the mom going to work and the kid having the kid had to adjust to the mom going to work. That was me.
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Stacey
That was mom trauma right there. Meg trauma.
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Meghan
I was a little. I was a little attached. Yeah. so I remember that, but I was pretty little, like, I want to say eight, and I could be wrong, but. So she went back to a job.
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Stacey
I think you were a little bit old in that, because I almost feel like I would have been like 12 or something like that. I think I would have been maybe, you know, in high school or something to like 14 anyways. Yes. So then mom went on to get a few jobs. Not that many.
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Meghan
But even no, no, not that many. And they were all in the same kind of area was in sewing, quilting, that kind of thing. Yeah, she didn't hop around too much, but before before she went back into the workforce and dad just had that steady job that he had, and that was what you did. And he worked from the time he started till the time he ended.
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Meghan
And he hated it. And it was just what you did. Yes. That was how life was. Yes. Which is probably one of the reasons that we have a slight negative bias against the 9 to 5. I think that may have pushed us a little closer to doing our own thing, because he was so unhappy.
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Stacey
So really good point
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Meghan
with the with what he had to do on it, wasn't it 9 to5? And he was like a 7 to 3 or whatever his hours were? I don't remember, but he hated the commute, hated the job. He hated. Well, he didn't hate the job. He hated working with the people that he worked with or for the people that he worked with.
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Stacey
Yeah.
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Meghan
I feel like that might have impacted us.
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Stacey
A little bit. Never thought of it until now that you said it. No, I feel like. Yeah, probably. Also, though, our family are slight workaholics. The other side of the family, slight workaholics.
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Meghan
I mean, you have to say that the dad was two. Yeah. He had, like, a proper 9 to 5 kind of job growing up on a farm, essentially chickens and that kind of thing. Like it was.
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Stacey
We were homesteaders, like, we were like homesteaders before homesteading was cool. That's what we did. So, yeah, you're right. Like he come home, get changed into outside clothes and go do whatever need to be done. The shoveling, the gardening, the whatever, the chickens or whatever. It was the wood. Oh my gosh.
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Meghan
Because we only did wood stove. We didn't we didn't have furnace. No, it was chopping wood all the time. So yeah, it was pretty constant. We saw a lot of a lot of constant work growing up. Yeah. No downtime. All your downtime was put into your house or your home. Yep. And taking care of the things I assume that was, I assume that was part of their dream to have that house in the country and do all the the wood cutting and the wood furnace and the homesteading.
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Meghan
Yeah, I hope it was because we did that, because that was 20 years.
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Stacey
That's a long time of doing that.
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Meghan
but so we still watch them work their work their butts off for ever and ever. Yeah. really good work ethic, not just from them, but from my grandparents as well.
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Stacey
Yeah. They are. They live not too far away, like they live close enough that they could drive the tractor that we shared back and forth to each other's houses when one would need the tractor for logs, planing for the garden for whatever it was when we were doing pollen logs out of the bush. Yeah. Wow, wow. We lived a really we lived a.
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Meghan
Interesting.
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Stacey
Interesting life, didn't we? I think now, I swear we owned a bridal business. complete change of life right there.
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Meghan
Well, that's sort of what I'm trying to related to. That's the. They didn't own a business. No, but they were always doing something. They were always busy. They always not just with the house, but with something exterior. And by the time they both had. No, they never they never overlapped at a job. One was always home. By the time mom went back to work.
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Meghan
That's when dad stay home. Correct. But she always had like she would she would do the quilts for other people outside of the job.
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Stacey
Oh my gosh, I forgot she did that. Yeah. So I think maybe it's.
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Meghan
Just that we don't remember our childhood and we block a lot of things and don't ever, ever think about them. We're talking about them until I sit here with a microphone on and now realize.
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Stacey
Now we spew it to the world of like, oh, this is all my trauma. So trauma. This is why we work so much.
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Meghan
This is why we're workaholics. Yes, we watched a lot of workaholics. It's not trauma
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Stacey
Welcome to therapy 101 with the Sinders Sisters.
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Meghan
so I feel like we were predisposed to own our own business. I think that's where my brain is getting out. Okay, conversation.
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Stacey
Fair. Fair.
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Meghan
Because we they never. One of them severely disliked it. Yeah. What he did. And then by the time our mom went back into the workforce, if not, she loved what she did because she's always like sewing. She's always like, but she's always been good at that. It was something she enjoyed. Again, I have to assume this is through the rose colored buttons of a child, but she we saw them go through those pieces.
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Meghan
Not necessarily love what they do, which isn't uncommon. Like, I'm not saying this is uncommon. It's something that they experienced that other people didn't. I feel like there's a lot of people don't love their job. People go through life doing what they're supposed to do, with a job. So there's obviously other kids who see that, but that combined with the taking care of the chickens in the wood and then always having the wood stove and always, always doing something and watching the exterior passions of those people, I think all of that combined that we were not necessarily ever going to grow up and have a 9 to 5.
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Stacey
Good point. Now look at us.
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Meghan
How many more businesses can we add? It's a big we're at.
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Stacey
I don't think we need anymore. Although we did talk about another one last week.
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Meghan
I feel like we may have talked about another one this morning.
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Stacey
I think we did. yes.
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Meghan
Workaholic has a downside.
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Stacey
I also don't think that's where I couldn't do a 9 to 5 job, because it's I don't there isn't a passion to it. And I think that's really, really important just in life. Like when you get to the end of your life. I wanted to be like, I had the most awesome job. That was highs and lows and everything in between.
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Stacey
And I want to know that I want to live that ride. For me, that's important. I know some people don't care, but for me, I want to be. Making a difference, doing something good, doing, I don't know. I love the roller coaster.
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Meghan
I think I think a lot of people do, but a lot of people fit that into their exterior lives. they have their job which funds their which funds their exterior. Okay. So they may not like what they do day to day, right? But they'll take the time off and do the things that they want to do for their passion. I think a lot of people look at it that way, whereas we're like, let's make our all of our all of our time always the passion portion.
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Stacey
Yeah.
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Meghan
Which is a little bit unrealistic in the sense that there are lots of things that I don't love to do, like talk to the government and that kind of thing, and that if you have to do that. So all of the little bits of not wanting to do kind of just creep into every day. Yeah. Little bits instead of.
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Stacey
Instead of 9 to 5
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Meghan
8 hours chunk
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Stacey
What's your biggest plus side of owning a business ownership.
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Meghan
I think you touched on it briefly. It would. One of the biggest pluses would have to be the flexibility there are so many times where an a flexibility is a it is a plus of a minus in itself. If I don't create consistency in myself or in my life because I have the flexibility to not do it, if I was forced to keep.
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Meghan
Yeah, more consistent with things than I probably would. But I'm extremely erratic, probably because I have the flexibility to do whatever I need at any given time, or go pick up the kids or go home and get the dog or do this. And you talked about showings and that kind of thing for selling a house. There are so many things that have impacted us in our personal lives over the course of the last 20 years, or however long it's been of ownership.
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Meghan
and we let those impact our daily life because we can.
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Stacey
Yeah.
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Meghan
If we couldn't, if it wouldn't work, we'd figure it. Everybody does figure out a way to make it work, but the flexibility gives me the ability to not have to be consistent. I always thought it.
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Stacey
Was great thing. Now that you say that like that and like I. Hey. Right. I don't stay consistent, did I?
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Meghan
Still, you ask me that one of my biggest butterflies was I am telling it as a plus side I love the flexibility of it. It's it's but I, I.
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Stacey
It's both it's it's a plus but it's also a downfall I guess. No way alright
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Meghan
I consistent because we have that flexibility. Probably. Do I enjoy the flexibility? Yes, of course I would not enjoy getting a phone call from school and the the one of the kids is sick and then having to pass it by somebody else that I have to leave me.
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Stacey
You kind of pass it by me. You're like.
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Meghan
As I'm on my way to the work ?
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Stacey
Yeah, exactly. I mean, even to.
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Meghan
Get the children that side as I’m packing my laptop and you're like, what are you doing? I'm leaving. I'll see you tomorrow.
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Stacey
yeah.
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Meghan
That's one of the biggest. Plus, I would still say it's one of my biggest plus side is flexibility. Okay? The ability to do what I choose.
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Stacey
I'm going to work. That is mostly downfall. And.
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Meghan
Fair enough. The way I explained it, I understand. And what's your biggest plus?
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Stacey
The ability to dream and, like, bring it to my boss's desk and drop it and be like, I think that we should do this. Let's let's go buy a castle in Europe. And my boss doesn't say to me, get out of my office, okay?
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Meghan
get out of my office . Who let you in?
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Stacey
But I'm not taking this for the fifth day in a row. Stacey, please do not come in here with another idea. That's the. I think that's my biggest plus side
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Meghan
I would love to know what 9 to 5 you would have if that was your job, to come in here with very crazy scenarios you can make up. You know what we need? We need Stacey, from 8 a.m. to 4 p.m.. Tell us all of the things that we could do it. I love that.
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Stacey
that’s possible You know what? you know. Be great.
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Meghan
You know what the people are doing?
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Stacey
They're doing. right now I just saw this TikTok. Like you're on TikTok again. on business time Stace ?
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Stacey
Yeah, I don't think I do super well.
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Meghan
Yes, that's a very good point. Yeah, I would count that is one of mine as well. The ability to choose.
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Stacey
Yeah.
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Meghan
Which I guess I mean, I and and that's kind of what I was getting in flexibility to like. Oh most of the points were that we can come and go as we please and make our time as we please, and I do, except when everybody needs me. When somebody has question. Not my time.
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Stacey
No, exactly the question.
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Meghan
I don't know how many notifications I have on my phone. Of all the questions that everybody will have when we're done this podcast a lot.
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Stacey
She has a lot already. I looked at her phone before we started this. There's a lot in there. Yeah.
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Meghan
so sometimes it's not always flexible. It's on somebody else's time because I am reachable by everybody and have the answers that everybody needs. but dreaming would be a huge one as well, because if we can create what we need to in this space, then we can create another space and then another space. And how many things can we have?
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Meghan
How many things can we do? How much can we give back? Or are we going to get to the point where we can do this? Yeah, I think you created that in me.
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Stacey
Yeah. Because you were definitely more rigid when we started, for sure. Like I think the I role was more often given to me when we started all this insanity. And now most of the time it's a head nod of, okay, okay, I think we can make that work. And I'm like, yay, yay! Until we start to do it.
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Stacey
And then I get cold feet and then I'm like, no, no, maybe we shouldn't.
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Meghan
Once you've once I've committed, we're not stuck.
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Stacey
Now we're not stopping. And then the freight train is insane. It's insane. And I'm like, I just don't think we should. And then we do it and it's great.
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Meghan
I would have to say, though, that the eye roll must still be there, because one of the girls, when I was talking to you the other day and you're through text and she said something, and then she said, don't whatever. She told me she knew that it was something that I was either not going to agree with, or I had to approve money or something.
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Meghan
She knew that it was something that I was not going to be like, absolutely, let's do that. So she she'd send me the text it, and then right afterwards she said, I can feel your eye roll.
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Stacey
It's not just to me.
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Meghan
Like, oh, I didn't realize it really was that bad
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Stacey
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Meghan
it’s hard too though, because when you're creating your business and your structure, I can't say that our structure is similar to many other businesses that we have known or like, worked with. Yeah, we're very lax. Yeah, on a lot of things. Yeah. We are friends with the people that are around us.
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Stacey
Which we've been told many times is not a good business model. But you know what? I wouldn't that's one thing I would never change in all the, in it, in anything that we've done, because it makes me enjoy our workplace so much more. And the people and I feel like I feel better because I guess that's another a win for on your own business is the people that you get to help along the way.
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Stacey
I think that's extremely important, that you can bring the village with you because I, I don't care to go by myself on this ride. I think that would be lonely and really boring. So I love that we're bringing everybody with us. So, yes. Has it probably taken us longer to get where we're going? Probably, yeah.
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Meghan
Some people get some get really far, really fast moving stuff on other people. Absolutely.
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Stacey
Yeah. And I just don't I don't care too. I want everybody to come with us. And so I think that makes it ride much more enjoyable for everyone and the workplace much more enjoyable. So.
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Meghan
yeah. Okay. So what are some of the biggest downsides?
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Stacey
We're in 24 over seven. it for me, my brain never shuts off and it's very difficult to shut it off because they'll just be something like it could be sitting on a beach in Mexico, which I would never do because I can't handle that my mind And you can't, but I can't sit.
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Meghan
Still long enough to enjoy beach on Mexico
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Stacey
No, not at all. So. But just let's say I would sit on the beach in Mexico. There would be something that would come up in its shell. look at the shell be like, that's a great idea for something. Oh my gosh, we should do that and then have to write it down and have to look at it and have to think about it, and then start this whole like, chain reaction of things.
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Stacey
And it's just a I don't it never turns off and never stops. No
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Meghan
I completely agree. Yeah. I remember the flexibility that I talked about where it creates and it creates lack of consistency and lack of time management.
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Stacey
Yeah.
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Meghan
That's where it leads into that. Yeah. Because we don't shut off. No I will not stop. I will. That's not true. I've done much better lately at shutting off for certain periods of time because I need to spend time with my kids. Yeah. And I am trying very hard to be present in those moments. And then as soon as they are distracted, I am thinking about work again
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Meghan
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Stacey
Yeah.
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Meghan
So I struggle greatly with me. Time that isn't me with my kids or me with the business. Yeah, that would be one of my biggest downsides that I've lost anything that is exterior to those.
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Stacey
Okay, I don't.
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Meghan
I don't I'm not saying it because I regret it. I'm just saying it is in the sense of if you ask like it's nothing bothers me more than those questions or quizzes or whatever. Those things are where they're like, define yourself, and you're not allowed to define who you are, and you're not allowed to talk about that.
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Meghan
You're a mother or that what you do for a job, those kinds of things. And I'm like, but I can't. Okay, you know what? I don't like this. We're not doing this
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Stacey
What I'm doing this anymore turn that off. Turn it off
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Meghan
delete send to Satcey
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Stacey
Stacey I'm better at that now, but it's only taking me like the last two years where I've actually been able to shut up else But also my kids are much older than Meg’s kids, except one of them but so it's a little bit easier for me to actually find this thing called me time, which I didn't know anything about until a few years ago.
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Meghan
So this is a long track back to me time once. Yeah. I mean, we also combined family and business. So it extended all of that. Yeah, the wrapping those two things in together, it extended that greatly. But yeah, I'm happy to hear that you're finding a way back to that, because it gives me hope that in another 5 to 10 years, maybe it could get there.
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Stacey
No, I think you just need to start sooner. You just do it. less business time. I love business. I know you do. Do I have to kick you out for few days? Exactly. Get out of the office. Mandatory. No Meg day.
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Meghan
It's hard to shut off. It's like. It's like one of our babies.
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Stacey
Yeah, where I have to I it's our first baby before actual babies. Yeah.
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Meghan
I have to make sure that I'm actually making time for that’s one on one kid time. I don't like to neglect business either. Love it. I'm doing it. Love the dreaming of it.
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Stacey
Yeah, I guess that's what it is. I guess that's that would be my biggest takeaway. Advice tip. Whatever you want to call it. you have to do something you absolutely love. You're passionate about something if you're going to be in business, because if not, I, I it would be so hard to try and make it through all of the ups, the downs, the things that you have to push aside because there are things you have to push aside in order to stay late.
00:21:15:02 - 00:21:21:57
Stacey
One night. You're going to have to miss things or something like it just is. It's part of it. But if you're passionate about it, it's worth it.
00:21:22:02 - 00:21:27:50
Meghan
It was dramatically difficult to make it through the early stages of business in the early stages of childbearing.
00:21:27:55 - 00:21:28:13
Stacey
Yeah.
00:21:28:15 - 00:21:32:51
Meghan
Child rearing. It was extremely difficult through those years.
00:21:32:51 - 00:21:33:20
Stacey
Yeah, it's.
00:21:33:20 - 00:21:38:28
Meghan
Still difficult now. Mine are still young and there are days where you're needed more than other days.
00:21:38:28 - 00:21:40:07
Stacey
Yeah. And then they're older.
00:21:40:12 - 00:22:02:51
Meghan
It is exceptionally hard. So choosing to own your own business is a it takes dedication. It takes a. Yeah. 24 seven. a lack of you, loss of you. you have to be committed to doing it, which you it's you. I think you're right. The only way that you would be committed enough is if it's something that you love.
00:22:02:52 - 00:22:06:10
Meghan
Yeah. Something you are extremely passionate about.
00:22:06:15 - 00:22:13:11
Stacey
But I think the nice thing is, because we've gotten to that other side of it, it's so worth it.
00:22:13:16 - 00:22:35:23
Meghan
I completely agree, I would never do it, I like it and it's not a negative. No, it's the I, I've never no, I've never had someone ask me about business or starting a business or ownership that I would never tell somebody not to. Never. But I will stress the, the hardships of it so that, you know, going in, be prepared.
00:22:35:27 - 00:22:37:02
Meghan
But 100% I think it's worth it.
00:22:37:15 - 00:22:39:25
Stacey
Yeah I agree.
00:22:39:29 - 00:22:42:29
Meghan
So what's our wrap up? Would you do it again.
00:22:42:34 - 00:22:47:24
Stacey
In a heartbeat. Me too. Yeah. I feel like I would do things a little differently.
00:22:47:28 - 00:22:49:17
Meghan
okay. There. What would you change?
00:22:49:21 - 00:22:53:10
Stacey
I would hire smarter people sooner.
00:22:53:15 - 00:23:00:38
Meghan
Yes. Do you remember when we started reading things about the. The owners should never be the smartest people in the room.
00:23:00:38 - 00:23:01:23
Stacey
Yeah.
00:23:01:28 - 00:23:11:41
Meghan
We're the ones who take the risks. Yeah, but we need to remember how many times during this podcast I said I have no consistency. We have people who have consistency.
00:23:11:41 - 00:23:26:46
Stacey
Yes. Almost everybody else on the team is extremely consistent, which is phenomenal because that's how everything gets done around here. yeah, I would 100% hire people. Smart. Yeah, smarter people than us faster. And the things that we can't do.
00:23:26:51 - 00:23:47:20
Meghan
The people that cover our weaknesses. Correct. Which, I mean, you have to put that above that. Then we would have to be self-reflective enough earlier to have realized what our strengths and weaknesses were. Yeah, guaranteed. We went in at one point thinking that it would be easy peasy lemon squeezy. It was stressy Stressy, Lemon depressy
00:23:47:25 - 00:23:50:36
Stacey
yes it was. Yeah, it sure was.
00:23:50:41 - 00:23:52:00
Meghan
You're that. You're there.
00:23:52:05 - 00:23:57:12
Stacey
That's us. Because it was most of the time. Yeah, it was anyways.
00:23:57:17 - 00:24:05:11
Meghan
But if we had understood our weaknesses and understand what we were like, if we had done the work earlier on to know what we needed to be, what we needed to learn.
00:24:05:11 - 00:24:06:23
Stacey
00:24:06:28 - 00:24:16:43
Meghan
Ahead of time, we would have at least been. We wouldn't have been so behind. Yeah, I'm not saying that we're trained and like learned, didn't go to school and done those things. We never would have gone that far. That's not who we are.
00:24:16:43 - 00:24:17:06
Stacey
No, no.
00:24:17:08 - 00:24:38:13
Meghan
We're where we are because of who we are. I don't regret any of the things that we've done, but being a little further ahead of the game on certain decisions and having the people around us that could support those decisions earlier, that would have been a lot easier. Agree. So have your support system. Yeah. Have your village love what you do.
00:24:38:16 - 00:24:51:29
Meghan
Love what you do. Passionate passionate. Create your passion and and find a way to incorporate you in all of it. So you don't burn out because we'll talk about that too.
00:24:51:38 - 00:24:56:51
Stacey
Yeah. Does that happen. Well that's for another podcast. Yeah.
00:24:56:56 - 00:25:12:35
Meghan
so let us know what what do you think is the first one like the top for you. The of of either before that we listed or what has been the biggest impact for you. The pluses, the minuses on the on your growth, on your business.
00:25:12:39 - 00:25:13:49
Stacey
Until next time everybody.