Transcript of Sinders Sisters Podcast
E13: Burnout: The Monster in The Room
Welcome to the debut episode of "Burnout-The Monster in The Room"! Join us, Sinders Sisters, as we candidly dive into the often-unspoken reality of entrepreneurial burnout. With humor and raw honesty, we explore the signs, symptoms, and personal stories of skirting the edge of burnout and sometimes falling right in. From chronic fatigue and insomnia to anxiety and the pressures of running a business, we share our journey of recognizing burnout and learning how to manage it. We discuss strategies like delegation, setting boundaries, and prioritizing self-care while still pushing towards our business goals. Tune in for relatable experiences, practical advice, and a community of entrepreneurs who understand the hustle and struggle.
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Meghan
Just start right into it.
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Stacey
But I got to think I'm ready because this is. Meg just tells me to sit down. We're going to do a podcast. So I said, okay, I don't know what this podcast is about. I mean, luckily I have the gift of gab, so it's fine. And we will we'll all figure out together Meg wants to talk about.
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Meghan
This is about burnout.
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Stacey
Oh, this is a good one.
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Meghan
And if we if this was a visual episode.
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Stacey
Oh, my.
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Meghan
Looking at us, you would know that we're currently, if not in burnout, very close to.
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Stacey
Very close to it. Probably. We've been in burnout for years and we just don't know.
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Meghan
Yeah. Just skirting the edge.
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Stacey
Just always on that fine line.
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Meghan
Welcome to the podcast.
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Stacey
Welcome to The Chronicles of Caffeine and ambition hosted by the Sinders Sisters.
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Meghan
I'm Stacey and I'm Megan. And what we are here to do on our podcast is tell you about business, life, families, essentially everything that we do. We want to share with you because we have a lot of self-confidence. We've learned a lot of self-confidence over the years, and we sure have. And we want to share that with you.
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Meghan
We want to show you how. Let's do this.
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Meghan
Okay. Now tell me your thing. What's your thing about burnout?
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Stacey
My thing? I don't know what the thing is about burnout. I was talking about at the beginning of the podcast. I got something because you made me sit down and we have no idea what we're talking. Oh, like you did an intro.
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Meghan
You're telling me that you had an intro intro? Oh, I just ruined it.
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Stacey
This is burnout, guys.
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Meghan
This work of nonfunctional burnout. Let me read you something because these are the top signs of burnout in entrepreneurs. Chronic fatigue. Insomnia. They seem to go. Those go hand-in-hand. Let me tell you, they're not sleeping. Obviously you're tired. Forgetfulness and impaired concentration and attention.
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Stacey
Check check check.
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Meghan
Check check check check.
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Meghan
Check.
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Meghan
Physical symptoms like carb obsessions like the anxiety type pain. The shortness of breath, dizziness, those kinds of things. Headaches and dealing with some of that lately increased illness. So like, your auto immune system isn't working properly because you're not functioning properly.
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Stacey
Yeah, yeah, I got that too.
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Meghan
Loss of appetite. I feel like that might be you.
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Stacey
Yeah, that was today for sure. Had a heck of a last few days.
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Meghan
So anxiety, depression every day.
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Stacey
Yeah. Not depression.
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Meghan
Anxiety.
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Stacey
Maybe. You know what? Maybe it is depression. We just don't think it is. Maybe because we're like, it's all good. Let's smile and move on. I always feel like you never know about that Simpsons. Let's completely stop Meg talking.
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Meghan
Remember when I talked about concentration and.
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Stacey
I have zero like a squirrel on cocaine?
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Meghan
Haha, okay, it's a hell of a drug. Okay, the.
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Meghan
Simpsons episode you're.
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Meghan
Referencing. Yeah yeah.
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Stacey
Yeah. No, no, that was the one where Maggie gets a Maggie. What's the Lisa gets out of the car and Marge says, Dr., just be good and smile and and it's okay, and everything is going to be fine.
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Meghan
Oh, and she puts that, like, super big fake smile on her face. Yeah.
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Stacey
And there's the car. And then Marge completely loses it because it's all. You all have to be fake and happy all the time. Yeah. That's why I feel like we do sometimes.
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Meghan
Sometimes? Sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. Can't disagree with that. Yeah. Sometimes I feel like that's what gets us through. So I suppose that's the point of what we're talking about though, because we skirt the line of burnout or have been in continual burnout because we haven't done anything about it for possibly ten years now.
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Meghan
Yeah. So.
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Meghan
I wanted to, discuss how you a vacation?
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Stacey
A vacation?
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Meghan
We do have plans for that. We do? what was the first time you realized that you were in burnout?
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Stacey
I couldn't even tell you how many years ago. years back, sewing at the end of most sewing seasons were so burnt that you just can't function like you can't function to find the shoe that is right beside your foot. But it's after a really heavy season of trying to juggle it all, do a summer with the kids to try and do something with them, but then also try and keep work afloat.
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Stacey
But then, like, I'm just trying to juggle all the balls and, a few seasons back, like, I think the worst burnout I think we've ever had was two sewing seasons ago. Yeah, two.
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Meghan
Two summers ago.
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Stacey
Yeah. And I remember we talked about it and we swore that we would never, ever, ever do that again. Because I've never I don't think I've ever been that burnt out. Like, that was really bad. That was it took me like, oh, maybe I've never recovered from it.
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Meghan
Maybe we didn't recover from that one. And I think that's the point, though. I mean, at the very minimum, we've been through it multiple times. Yeah, for multiple reasons. And because of multiple like of different business. It's not just one that multiples have caused it, but at the very minimum, all I can say for what we're doing now is that at least we acknowledge it, because in the beginning, we didn't realize it.
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Meghan
True even before that sewing season, like two sewing seasons ago, where it was probably one of the worst. Before that, I don't think it crossed our mind that that's what was happening at the end of the sewing seasons.
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Stacey
It's a good point. It was just it was it was just season. Yeah. You're just how you feel at the end of season because everybody feels that way. I mean, we just the extra skins because of the extra pressure that's on us to make sure that everything functions as it should.
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Meghan
Well, to keep the sewing going. Yeah, because it's a skill that we have that not many people have. So we always get pulled in to help with it. But in order to get pulled in to help with that, where's the time coming to finish the rest of the things that we have to do to run the business, to pay the bills, to like to do all the mundane things you and the social media like the year that you had to do.
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Meghan
The two of those together.
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Stacey
With a lot of social media of me at my desk sewing.
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Meghan
That's true.
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Stacey
This is what I'm making today. This is what I'm doing. Yeah.
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Meghan
Well, and we talk a lot. We laugh a lot about the fact that we're inconsistent. And is it because of what we do and how we've allowed ourselves to be? Is it because of the business? Is because we were that way to begin with? And it just works. That's why we're entrepreneurs, because we're inconsistent. We can do what we want to do when.
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Stacey
Well, I don't think it's easily enough for us to pivot into the whatever the other issue is or if it's a problem or whatever, have you. It at least doesn't bother us to be like, well, I wasn't planning on do that today, so we're not doing it. I think that makes it a little bit easier.
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Meghan
But the years that it got so bad, juggling all of those aspects was dramatically worse.
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Stacey
Yes, I think we've gotten better at being consistent. We've also gotten really better after that. We got really good at, delegating, being like, that's not I'm not doing that. Are not willing to do that again. Like after that sort of thing where we said, we're not doing this anymore. We did actually stop doing some things.
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Meghan
So one of our worst times with burnout was two years ago. What have we done since then? What did we implement since then
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Stacey
hired on new people, and delegated out like people that were better than us at the rules that we weren't great at or we didn't like doing. And so we hired on people and say, okay, I need you to do this, like ask a lot more. We're really not good at asking people for help, but we're also in that position, like, you know, if you run a business at the beginning, you can't hire on the best people to do all the things because it just financially isn't there.
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Stacey
It's not possible.
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Meghan
No. At the beginning, you have to be that person, whether you're the best at it or not.
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Stacey
Correct. But then we were at a point that we could actually hire people on to do those roles, and then they get done better and faster and sooner. So I think we were able to see that.
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Meghan
So we learned delegation. I would totally agree with you. And that was it was a big part of not getting back to that point again. Yeah.
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Stacey
So far I think, taking time off and not feeling guilty, it took a long time. But then also voicing about when you do feel guilty about doing the thing or whatever, actually communicating and being like, I feel really upset that I wasn't in today and that I didn't see somebody or I didn't finish something or whatever, have you and actually voice in it, rather than being quiet or off and things off?
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Stacey
I normally do think it was. And now I feel way less guilty being like, okay, I take every other Saturday off because my son is home, so I spend time with my kids every second Saturday and that's now a given. There is no thing where it's like, I might be there, I might not be there, or I'm going to come to work or, you know, just because I need to, I don't.
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Stacey
So I'm putting in the boundaries, I guess has been helpful, really hard in the beginning.
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Meghan
It was extremely hard in the beginning, also the reliance on each other. And I'm not saying that we're great at that. We are in many ways very toxic for each other. Agree and very competitive. Isn't the right word competitive?
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Stacey
Both. Yeah. Are competitive and we are competitive.
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Meghan
We cause each other problems because we want each other to be informed. I want to know everything is going on. You want to know what's going on. But we've gotten better. Like I mean, from Friday, I wanted to know what happened with that appointment, but I forgot I was also very sick.
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Stacey
So yeah.
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Meghan
Check back to number point four what was that point four the sickness? Your immune system My immune system compromised.
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Stacey
My thyroid can tell you that URL. My thyroid says for sure.
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Meghan
Yeah yeah yeah. We've got a few things that our body is like, please stop doing that. It's a work in progress. It is and we are doing better. I do think I agree with you. We at least a voice the issues we are trying to set boundaries. It's not simple. Then that's my point. I guess the reason entrepreneurs fall into burnout is because we are severely dedicated.
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Meghan
Yes, to reaching our goal.
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Stacey
Yes.
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Meghan
Extremely committed to the business that we're growing. Yes. So it creates a toxic environment 100%. But how? Having to manage in your mind? I need to take care of myself. But what if it's a detriment to my goal? And I feel like that's why it took us so long to get to the point where we started trying to prioritize.
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Stacey
Yeah.
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Meghan
What we need to do to take care of ourselves in combination. Yeah. With how to take care of the business better.
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Stacey
I mean but if we're not in good shape, like if we're forgetting things, if we're not consistent, if we're not to like all the things that we need to be as business owners because we're burnt out, we're not helping the business either. We don't help the girls when we come in and we're like the squirrels, they enjoy it.
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Meghan
I did exactly what I started asking for. I mean, I think they enjoy it when we are very infrequently.
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Meghan
In the office.
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Stacey
Because we're like a show. We watch entertainment, entertainment.
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Meghan
We're like entertainment value, but infrequently, because if we go there too often, then we're just it's too much.
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Stacey
Yeah, I don't disagree on that.
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Meghan
It's a lot and we scatter them.
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Stacey
We sure do.
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Stacey
we sure do
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Meghan
Our brains do not necessarily work in the same way that everybody else is do.
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Stacey
No, I mean with like we talked about previously, we need very consistent people and who are great at what they do. And we do we have we have an amazing team and they're all very good and consistent and keep everybody on track.
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Meghan
There's a reason that we have people who do that. Yeah, because we do not do it for ourself.
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Stacey
We do not for for anybody.
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Meghan
No, it's not something that somebody could ask of us. No.
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Stacey
No definitely not
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Meghan
What do you think we still need. Like what are the things that we still need to get better at to prevent burnout? Since we know that we're either on the edge of it or in it already. Again.
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Stacey
More delegation. I think there's a couple things that we still need to get off of us and doing in order for us, because we're always looking at those are bigger, longer term goals. So I think what needs to change is a few more things to delegate to. There's a few more things I think we need to get off our plate because we have plans for the future.
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Stacey
Because as an entrepreneur, you're always thinking of the latest thing. What do you want to do next? So what I think for in order to do the next thing, I think we still need a few more things taken off our plate in order to do the next thing. Because what we have here is phenomenal, and I think the team we have is great and I'm loving where it's going.
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Stacey
It just needs that little extra couple people. A couple things change and then I think it can just run on its own and we're on to our next adventure.
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Meghan
And the efficiencies I think is a lot like to like to wrap everything that you just said into one specific thing. I think it's efficiencies, not just faster with like everybody on the team, but with our processes as well. Yes, I agree the efficiency is lost a lot, I completely agree. I mean, fixing it is hard. It's a continual work in progress because even though we realized that it happened so badly that year, we haven't stopped ourselves from getting back into it.
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Meghan
It's not like we haven't been burnout since, I definitely.
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Stacey
Have 100%. I think right now it's a different burnout because we're trying to fix it in other ways. Like we know that there's other things rather than just assuming, and we know that there's other things that are the problem. And I think we're trying because we know the the light is at the end of the tunnel. We're like, we're so close.
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Stacey
And probably I think that's why the burnout has been bad. We're still pushing through it because we know we're almost there. like, we can't stop now and just be like, I need to take some time off or I need to not do anything today because we're down. Like, right now. We're down to, you know, probably ten weeks before this last major thing that we're doing with the business is finalized.
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Stacey
So it's so close.
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Meghan
I'm trying to remember a time too, though, because, I mean, we are extremely stubborn and it's unfair to put it that way in a sense, because when it is major burnout, you're just incapable. You're incapable of continuing like that's normal. But we are also extremely stubborn and extremely resilient. And sometimes do we function through burnout? Yeah. Yeah, I do think we do.
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Meghan
Definitely. So I'm trying to picture the time like, I mean, it got really, really bad for me when you guys were away with the Charlotte. yeah, that I remember that that time was real, real bad. But I'm trying to remember if even knowing it, I knew it. I knew that it was bad. I knew I was starting to freak out.
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Meghan
It went real, real, real bad
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Stacey
It went real bad. And I couldn't do anything because we were way far, far away.
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Meghan
But did I stop? Did I go home? Did I take a break or.
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Stacey
I don't think you did, because I called the team to ask if you were in or if you were there, and they said yes. And I called a whole bunch of other people just to check on you. So I'm going to say no, I'm pretty sure you still can't do it.
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Meghan
Yeah, I think that's true. So I mean, I do know, I do know for myself. So I mean, even if I'm like, I'm, I'm trying to give myself the benefit of the doubt that I realized when I'm in it or when I'm starting to get in. And I know the signs, I know how my brain feels. And I know that, like that twitchiness I can feel that it's coming.
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Meghan
I'm trying to give myself the benefit of the doubt that I try to back off. Then I try to slow down, to not have it happen or have it not so bad. Yes, as it has been in the past, but I can't actually picture things that I have done, like going to the spa helps me sometimes.
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Stacey
Yes.
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Meghan
And literally just distressing for the entire de-stressing for the entire day sitting there in the heated pools. But do I do it in conjunction with that? Because it doesn't have to be in conjunction. I'm trying to regiment my burnouts.
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Stacey
That's what I'm trying to do. No, we're not supposed to have, burnout.
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Stacey
I think that we've gotten so much better at it and understanding and realizing what also gives us the burnout that were, I think we can catch it and take the time off and do all the things so we don't burn out before it even gets. And that's the whole reason behind everything we're doing currently.
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Meghan
Maybe the small things are actually helpful at this point. If that's true, then like some of the things are finding your way to do distress, like you're finding your calm, that kind of thing, backing away or putting something aside. So maybe that's it. Maybe we do work in smaller ways, like the every other weekend off or it was a long weekend this past weekend and I didn't work at all, which is me again, telling myself that I'm doing better.
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Meghan
But really, I was just so deathly sick that I couldn't work because I would have if I could have.
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Stacey
Had so true.
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Meghan
I feel like you might be doing better at this.
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Stacey
No because I still work, I still, I still work like it came in the weekend to finish up a dress sewing.
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Meghan
Of course, it's funny because it was my weekend to be in and we're like, we're doing so much better. We take like every second weekend off and this was my weekend of work. I did not come in by then because I shouldn't have been here. So I mean, I should have been here, but yeah, you shouldn't have been in the building near anybody because that's it was it would have been really bad for everybody.
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Meghan
But you were here when it was your weekend to be off
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Stacey
Yeah.
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Meghan
I feel like these things that we should be doing, like this list that I'm going to read you, that we just said that we think that we're doing better, at which I'm not saying that we're not doing better at it, but like setting boundaries. Did we follow our boundaries?
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Stacey
No. Oh, okay. I guess the reasoning behind it, I mean, no, I shouldn't be sewing. I saw way less than what I used to. Ever, ever. And I can't expect to quit everything. Cold turkey. I can't expect not to be like to all of a sudden just be like, you know what, guys? It? Then imagine if I was like, I'm going to take a week off next week.
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Meghan
But sometimes, don't you think that maybe that would work?
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Stacey
It might help, but I'm a little worried about the amount of stuff that has to get done. And there is no one to catch it. If I don't do it,
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Meghan
Then doesn’t get caught.That's my point, though. I'm nothing in a little bit. I'm saying in a week purpose. I'm saying in the sense that what if the like that actual linchpin, that key to this is that those things that fall when you're gone are the things that we shouldn't pick back up.
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Stacey
I see, I see 100% the thing that will fall. we know we need somebody to pick it up the market.
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Meghan
That's awkward.
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Stacey
Yes, 100% that that will fall. Yes. So. But we know that there was a another person for that.
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Meghan
You're right. Okay. So. Well I mean that's next on the docket.
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Stacey
I that's what I mean I look I don't feel burnt out currently, but I know I came in for a few hours and it wasn't a big deal, but it also was for me to feel like I knew I had other things going on today. So I was like, I know I'm not going to get that dress done today, so if I go in for a couple hours, then it's done.
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Stacey
Like the part that I need done is done. And then I took the morning off this morning. So I guess it's also flipping around my time a little bit. And I didn't feel guilty that I took the morning off this morning because I was like, because I got my stuff done. And if anybody need me, the phone call me and I can do a lot of work on the car if I need to.
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Stacey
So it's a lot of not for me feeling way better and but I also like I guess I don't feel burnt out about this new adventure because I like it's something new. And for me, that's really exciting to go into something else to design, something else to try like. And I guess because the other stuff is so mundane and I really didn't want to do it anymore.
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Stacey
And you're bringing those up and why we're here. Oh, I hate doing this. and it and the burnout feels so horrible. Whereas this stuff is more exciting. I'm looking forward to it, which maybe helps. Maybe this burnout could be. I just figured my brain is old, and I'm getting to a point in my life where I'm like an adventure because the kids tell me all the time, mom, you said that three times already.
00:18:48:09 - 00:18:50:19
Stacey
That's amazing. I get that, I get that a lot.
00:18:50:21 - 00:19:10:02
Meghan
no. But I do agree with you. This this what we're doing right now. I don't feel the stress of everything all at once is definitely causing a factor for me, but the aspect of it itself, this huge change. I am excited for this change. So maybe it is holding off a burnout because of the excitement of it.
00:19:10:06 - 00:19:12:09
Meghan
I feel like this will be a relief.
00:19:12:16 - 00:19:12:29
Stacey
I agree.
00:19:12:29 - 00:19:14:12
Meghan
I mass of change really relief
00:19:14:27 - 00:19:17:21
Stacey
hands down. Yes, yes yes I agree.
00:19:17:27 - 00:19:32:03
Meghan
So you're right. Is it partly causing some of the problems that I'm dealing with at this moment? Definitely. Yeah, probably. Definitely. But I'm not going to put it off but work hard to make that happen because I feel like once it's done that will solve a lot more issues.
00:19:32:03 - 00:19:33:12
Stacey
Hence, don't agree with you.
00:19:33:14 - 00:19:37:14
Meghan
Okay, I'm still going to read this list because boundaries is the first one.
00:19:37:16 - 00:19:41:11
Stacey
We are way better. Boundaries always be and ever in our lives. Ever. You're right.
00:19:41:11 - 00:19:43:29
Meghan
I did say it's a work in progress. Yeah. delegation.
00:19:43:29 - 00:19:45:15
Stacey
So good. Get better.
00:19:45:18 - 00:19:49:23
Meghan
Okay. Got way better a support network, and we have a huge support network.
00:19:49:23 - 00:19:54:18
Stacey
We have a massive support network here. And, I mean, I guess outside we.
00:19:54:18 - 00:19:55:14
Meghan
Could do better. We could.
00:19:55:14 - 00:19:56:00
Stacey
Do better right.
00:19:56:01 - 00:20:21:01
Meghan
Outside. We do need the things that distress us in the sense of like, friend groups and things that you do that are external to work because all we do is work. Correct. So we are falling down on that one up there. Yeah. but otherwise support network. And also I do think a come back to this so frequently in all of our episodes, but because there's two of us and we now know each other so well, not that we didn't know each other well when we were three, because we're sisters and we know each other.
00:20:21:03 - 00:20:24:17
Meghan
But, you know what I mean? We appreciate.
00:20:24:19 - 00:20:26:10
Stacey
It because I know.
00:20:26:12 - 00:20:41:15
Meghan
That I think is also integral to the whole thing because we offset each other. That's so it's not just a support network like we have a huge support network. But if I literally fall down crying on the floor you were there.
00:20:41:18 - 00:20:53:02
Stacey
Yeah I was just a really good point. And I think it's also like the other day I came in the office and the she's on the phone and I was like, what's going on? And she's like, nothing. It's all good. I'm like, don't lie to me.
00:20:53:03 - 00:20:55:19
Meghan
Technically, what I said is you weren't supposed to walk in at that moment.
00:20:55:19 - 00:21:05:17
Stacey
I was not sure because I know, I know, and shit's going down. I know what she's unhappy. No. When she's sad, I know when she's scary mad, you know? And most people are like, oh, no, it's just Meg. She's okay. Like, you know, okay.
00:21:05:24 - 00:21:09:28
Meghan
Like when you called when you were in South Carolina. Yeah. Like, what's wrong with Meg? And everybody's like, nothing. No.
00:21:09:28 - 00:21:15:27
Stacey
She's fine. She's here is. She's fine. Everything's okay. Oh, my God, the shit's going down. Make sure she's okay. Oh, my God.
00:21:15:27 - 00:21:17:03
Meghan
I have a pretty good poker face.
00:21:17:08 - 00:21:22:28
Stacey
You were. You were pretty good at it, but yes. No, I feel yeah. For that one. It's I mean outside support.
00:21:23:01 - 00:21:37:28
Meghan
A lot harder when it's just you when it's. And. Yeah. Because if you fall and it's just you running it, the who picks up the pieces. Good point. Somebody might be there to pick up the pieces. And I hope to God that that person that you have as your second in the business is capable of picking it up the way you would want it to.
00:21:37:28 - 00:21:42:09
Meghan
Totally agree. But because we share it, I think that makes a huge difference.
00:21:42:09 - 00:21:54:10
Stacey
Yeah, what I'm hearing of this is that Chris needs to buy me a horse so that I can go ride, and that is my that's my out. That's my my support group.
00:21:54:15 - 00:22:05:04
Meghan
I honestly wish that it was a visual episode because the look that I just got on my face of, how did you connect those dots?
00:22:05:06 - 00:22:09:01
Stacey
Because that's my outside thing to do.
00:22:09:03 - 00:22:12:11
Meghan
So what I'm getting. But I need a pony.
00:22:12:13 - 00:22:16:24
Stacey
Yes, yes, I do.
00:22:16:26 - 00:22:18:11
Meghan
I'm not saying , I'm not going to disagree with you.
00:22:18:13 - 00:22:18:29
00:22:19:01 - 00:22:20:15
Stacey
It's fine. We could get horses.
00:22:20:15 - 00:22:29:27
Meghan
We could get horses. There you go. What I'm hearing is that Chris needs to buy me a horse. But I'm hearing is that your husband needs to buy you and me horse
00:22:29:28 - 00:22:33:18
Stacey
Or that's why I'm heard it That's that's what I.
00:22:33:19 - 00:22:35:05
Meghan
He's going to be real surprising. Here's this.
00:22:35:05 - 00:22:39:02
Meghan
Episode.
00:22:39:04 - 00:22:40:22
Meghan
take breaks is number four.
00:22:40:26 - 00:22:41:11
Stacey
Yeah. With.
00:22:41:11 - 00:22:57:15
Meghan
Yeah, we're supposed to take breaks, right? And I do honestly think that that is something that we should talk about more. We should think about more. We should work that in because we do actually need to take real breaks on a break. That has to do with the fact that you had to take this morning off so that you could.
00:22:57:16 - 00:23:02:01
Meghan
Is that someone, somewhere that you had to that's not a thing for you. You're not doing that for, you know, I'm.
00:23:02:01 - 00:23:04:18
Stacey
Driving across Canada. Is it a break?
00:23:04:20 - 00:23:05:19
Meghan
I it.
00:23:05:21 - 00:23:06:13
Stacey
Will.
00:23:06:13 - 00:23:09:05
Meghan
Chris is going to hear this podcast so I'm going to stay with it.
00:23:09:08 - 00:23:17:22
Stacey
It's not a break either. That's mandatory driving across Canada. All right. fine. So breaks for myself. I'm riding my horse.
00:23:17:28 - 00:23:25:05
Meghan
Yes, exactly. There you go. You got it thing I have riding horses and keep you active. I like it now. I think we can just loop all this back to by and by.
00:23:25:06 - 00:23:27:22
Stacey
By getting a horse. I am liking this a lot. Actually.
00:23:27:27 - 00:23:30:27
Meghan
Number six is seek professional help. That feels like a dig. Honestly.
00:23:31:00 - 00:23:33:13
Stacey
Lovely day right there.
00:23:33:16 - 00:23:35:22
Meghan
But we have with like a.
00:23:35:22 - 00:23:54:25
Stacey
Year ago we did we went actually and saw somebody essentially for burnout and like what to do. felt we lost and we did. It was actually it was good a really really happy and then move. We grew out of it essentially. So I would I go do hands down, I would love to go in like I have lots of things I want to do in that aspect of life.
00:23:54:25 - 00:24:07:16
Stacey
Like, I know there's a ton of things that we need to work on. Still, we from a from where we were when we started this and our mental journey to where we are now. Damn proud of was, because the change is huge.
00:24:07:24 - 00:24:09:22
Meghan
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.
00:24:09:25 - 00:24:11:12
Stacey
So yes. Do we need more help? 100.
00:24:11:12 - 00:24:32:13
Meghan
Percent? Maybe more consistent. Although we again, because we work off each other, we sometimes it adds extra stress to each other. But it also helps because we can work off each other, run things by each other, share the stress, and spread it around the world.
00:24:32:15 - 00:24:35:02
00:24:35:04 - 00:24:38:20
Meghan
Feel the emotional baggage you take.
00:24:38:22 - 00:24:41:29
Stacey
You need to take some of my bags. Things.
00:24:42:01 - 00:24:43:07
Meghan
well, technically, one of them.
00:24:43:09 - 00:24:44:11
Stacey
They should. Yes. She.
00:24:44:13 - 00:24:45:10
Yeah.
00:24:45:12 - 00:24:48:09
Stacey
She said I'm supposed to put them down, put the bags down, but the bags.
00:24:48:09 - 00:24:48:21
Meghan
Down and.
00:24:48:23 - 00:24:50:28
Stacey
And leave them there, which is that.
00:24:51:00 - 00:24:53:02
Meghan
We're close enough that we shared.
00:24:53:04 - 00:24:54:16
We shared.
00:24:54:16 - 00:25:17:12
Meghan
Our outcomes from our seeking professional. Okay. Yes. We are doing much better on all of those. I agree, and it is always a continual work in progress. But that's what I wanted. I wanted to talk about it today because there are so many people in this position that there are so many people that deal with burnout, there's so many people that are dealing with it currently who don't realize what it is.
00:25:17:14 - 00:25:40:02
Meghan
Yeah. So that's true. Everything that I've been reading about lately, the about burnout is the most important factor is understanding how you show the signs. Okay, so it's unfair. Like I read the list of the like of the fatigue, the insomnia, the forgetfulness and all that kind of thing. Yeah. So the first time I read that list in my head, I'm like, I'm all of those all the time.
00:25:40:05 - 00:25:45:00
Meghan
And it's not fair to say that I'm burnout all the time close to it most of the time, maybe probably.
00:25:45:00 - 00:25:45:27
Stacey
A close to it most of the time.
00:25:45:27 - 00:25:53:16
Meghan
But I have three small children as well. I'm obviously I'm fatigued. I don't sleep that well. They get up frequently. Yes.
00:25:53:19 - 00:26:02:16
Stacey
But I think for you, the time for yourself is important to recharge you because there are a lot there are a lot there. Little kids. Yes.
00:26:02:21 - 00:26:21:26
Meghan
So it's not just one thing like, I can't blame this on the business. Not, not not fully. You can't blame it on my kids. It's just life. Yeah. So all of these pieces, like all of these signs of burnout, can be related to multiple things and can come from different aspects of your life, but you have to know those signs to realize that.
00:26:21:26 - 00:26:41:21
Meghan
I know that if I don't deal with those early signs of how I start feeling, I will then start to like, feel that like ticking. It's like a ticking time bomb inside my body. Then I know that it's getting closer. Or like what's like a it's like the rubber band that's getting tighter and tighter, and I know that it'll snap if I don't do something about it, like so.
00:26:41:21 - 00:26:52:01
Meghan
I mean, at least I'm not necessary be able to verbalize it. Those things are happening, but I can feel them. So I do try to make sure that they don't snap since South Carolina.
00:26:52:02 - 00:26:59:02
Stacey
Yeah, I don't want to. I don't want another one these episodes, man, I've tried really hard.
00:26:59:04 - 00:27:07:15
Meghan
And we have plans after like after this next this next massive changes is over. We have plans to calm to figure out how to take better care of her.
00:27:07:15 - 00:27:22:29
Stacey
So I totally agree with you. Yeah, yeah. Which is great. And I think that's part of knowing that we are or burnout or close to it. And I think we're working to fix that. overnight thing by any means. That took us years to get into this. It's gonna take us a little bit. Get it. So will we get there?
00:27:22:29 - 00:27:25:26
Stacey
Yeah. And is it going to be worth it? Yeah, 100%.
00:27:25:29 - 00:27:32:25
Meghan
Yeah, I this will be probably episode one of many on burnout because I think we could keep going because.
00:27:32:25 - 00:27:34:23
Stacey
We're like masters.
00:27:34:23 - 00:28:04:15
Meghan
we’re masters and we're masters of getting it of co-creating it. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. managing it well or not, I'm not specifying, but. Yes. So I feel like we will touch on this subject again, but I what I want to know from everybody listening is like, given the lists that I read and the things that we have dealt with, the way that we feel through our burnout and the pieces that we've tried to integrate so that we deal with it better so we don't necessarily get into burnout.
00:28:04:17 - 00:28:11:19
Meghan
So of the listeners, what do you feel? What do you see coming? What is your what's your trigger sign? How do you know?
00:28:11:21 - 00:28:12:03
Stacey
How do you know?
00:28:12:09 - 00:28:29:05
Meghan
How do you know that it's coming? Because that's one of the most important things, is to watch for those signs so that you know that it's coming and you can try and head it off. You driven. If you're passionate, it's likely to happen. Yeah, but you can limit the effects. Absolutely. That's how I feel about it. Let us know what's your trigger sign for burnout?
00:28:29:08 - 00:28:30:08
Stacey
Until next time, everybody.