Does standardized education do more harm than good?

August 13, 2024

Transcript of Sinders Sisters Podcast

E6: Does standardized education do more harm than good?

In this episode, we dive into the contentious topic of education and whether standardized systems do more harm than good. It's a touchy subject, and we explore it from our differing perspectives. While I advocate for and value traditional higher education, Stacey takes a different stance, favoring practical learning over standardized approaches. Join us as we delve into the complexities of education, examining its impact on individuals and society.

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Meghan

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Meghan
I know you're not happy with the today subject.

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Stacey
It's not that I‚Äôm not happy. It‚Äôs just, you know Meg does to me? Every time we do, I'm almost. Every time I do a podcast. I don't get told.

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Meghan
But I told you yesterday.

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Stacey
You have told me last night. It was last night. Meg at a 9 clock That's why my brain is nonfunctional.

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Meghan
It's true. I don't think you actually responded coherently.

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Stacey
Not, coherently

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Meghan
I believe that you didn't actually know.

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Stacey
I gonna talk about education. Okay. Yes.

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Meghan
And it's been a touchy subject.

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Stacey
It is a touchy subject. But, I mean, I guess this is a good segue into the whole subject that, I mean, for me, education, when you when you talk about it, I'm like, oh my gosh. Because I don't think about a school like did. That's the only thing I think about. But I mean.

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Meghan
And it sets You off

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Stacey
It totally sets me off. But I'm also that person who sit for hours in a day and hours and and be okay with learning something until it go out in Lala land and that‚Äôs maybe why else I do okay not knowing about what it is that we're going to talk about in the podcast. Because then for me, it's like I can just from all this, you know, that one.

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Stacey
It's not right.

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Meghan
Fly off.

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Stacey
Why, yes.

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Meghan
I mean, there is part to be said for planning it, and I should tell you ahead of time that there's also a part that sometimes for, you know, I'm not gonna say sometimes, every single time I feel like our first go is the best.

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Stacey
Yeah. When we trying and do second things, it ends up being like, forced in like fake in. Yeah. So no, generally we do better on our first go and.

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Meghan
And funny because I know that school sets you off. I know that like an institutionalized set schedule sets you off. So maybe that's why I don't tell you.

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Stacey
What the plan is ahead of time.

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Freedom.

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Meghan
It's it's a good point. Stacey's favorite movies. Braveheart. It is.

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Stacey
It is for for a lot of reasons. Maybe not now. I don't know.

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Meghan
It it was. It was when.

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Stacey
I was there.

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Meghan
no. Okay. So what I want to talk about is the idea that when we were growing up, education, secondary, post-secondary, specifically was the beyond and all. You were no one and nothing. If you didn't do post-secondary education. 100% .And things have changed so dramatically lately that I see a divide between do post-secondary. You aren't anything if you don't do it, and the people fighting against it saying it's unnecessary, it's an end to institutionalized way of creating debt.

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Stacey
Oh yeah.

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Meghan
And it's a very polarizing conversation. And I but I think it's really important because I did do some post-secondary, but not for the right reasons.

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Stacey
And I did not.

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Meghan
I did not do any at all.

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Stacey
I did not do any at all. I did high school. And that was it. And then went out and worked for myself. But the self-employed, from then on in, I mean, I never mind I was able to 16 but as my husband often tells me that I am a anomaly. I don't know, I guess if I wanted that, I work hard for it and I will work 24 seven for it, but I guess.

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Meghan
I, you be anomaly because we've been told for 50 years that you can't be that.

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Stacey
Well, I would say yes, but I don't think I ever was. I agree with me. But I think if you once they really bad, you're actually going to go for like if you want to be somebody go somewhere, do something and figure out how to do it. that's just a new thing to me.

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Meghan
Well, even when we like I said, we were when we were growing up and when we went through school, we went through high school. And the assumption was if you actually want to do something with your life, if you want to not be a hobo on the street, you would go to post-secondary education.

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Stacey
You must have that piece of paper that says, I went and I accomplished and I did it.

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Meghan
So even, even at that point we would hear that on one end, but then we would also hear the other side where, oh, blah, blah person that I know started at the bottom and rose up the ranks. And like, I just find, I find the two separate ways of thinking of it so dramatically different. And it's like you're in one camp or you're in the other camp and the separation between the two just blows my mind.

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Meghan
I do remember in high school, our guidance counselor at the time was just she loved math and science, and her kids were like math and science gurus.

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Stacey
You were nobody and you were going to become nobody. I had the same conversation with her unless you went and you did all your math and all your science.

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Meghan
Yeah. Science is not my thing. And I wasn't bad at math, so, I mean, but that was the thing. I was sitting there in the office and I'm like, oh, okay. I mean, I feel like you're telling me that only your kids are amazing and you need to do what my kids are doing. And I was like, I'm not going to be able to.

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Stacey
Do.

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Meghan
Math is a post-secondary education

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Stacey
No .Absolutely not. Can you imagine me in a math course.

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Meghan
Or science in biology?

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Stacey
I might have got kicked out of my first science class in grade 10...11. Grade 11. They kicked me out because I was laughing at the very first class. Very big in that first class. He was not a happy person in general, so I, anyway I was gonna say long story short, but it wasn't even a long story.

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Stacey
That exactly was that.

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Meghan
That exactly was that.

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Stacey
That's all I was. I was not a happy person. And it wasn't like that. I was laughing. And so yeah, I think there's so many other options. I guess there was so many of the schools we should have, could have gone to that probably would have helped with, like for me, an art background of some form or a, dance background or something in theater, anything that is not your regular.

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Stacey
Math, science, history, geography, which at that time I couldn't care less about. So I mean, then you also don't apply yourself because it's just not interesting. And then they don't. Then they just assume you need to apply yourself whether you like it or you don't like it. Well, it doesn't help, but it does give anybody passion to actually push those things that I have never used trigonometry since I did it in school.

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Meghan
Ever. Never. I don't think I would have even remembered the word trigonometry.

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Stacey
I only remember because my kids did it not long. Those and they were like, what am I am? That's not. That's a Chris question. Absolutely. Don't ask me those things.

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Meghan
I am terrified for that time when my kids are old enough to do those classes.

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Stacey
Yeah. No, no. Good for you. You go. There you go. See uncle Chris

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Meghan
Some good numbers. No, we are selling ourselves short. 100% on some of that. But that is how it feels as a teenager.

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Stacey
Okay, so I guess for me what the biggest thing is and why, maybe it makes me feel upset, is because I didn't realize that emotional education or emotional intelligence was such a thing. Because when you're going through school, it's not a thing that's not you're you're stupid. Like, that's what I felt like they my entire way through high school was that I wasn't good much.

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Stacey
I could draw. Well, that's not going to get you anywhere else. You're going to be an artist. But then our teacher also told me that it wasn't good to have a guy in class. I might as well just quit drawing. and just like there was no such thing as emotional intelligence. If we look back now because I think it's broadened a little bit more now, but it is still much.

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Stacey
It's not something that is taught me anything else. I don't want to teach that. I mean.

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Meghan
Just the curriculum has been set up in that way for so long that changing it is difficult.

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Stacey
I'm just oh my gosh, imagine overhauling a system that's been around for how many years like now? My goodness. And a lot of people still are very much it needs to be that way. Yeah, I think so many other kids will excel if you figure it out. And I know other countries do it way better than we do.

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Meghan
Hey, some flexibility I think would be it like you hear about I know there are Montessori schools, there are even the private schools. It's more of a specifically guided approach to each child, which is dramatically better for the kids who don't fit in that specific mold.

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Stacey
Yeah.

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Meghan
But to me, I do honestly feel like almost every kid doesn't fit in that more where that will come from.

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Stacey
If they wanted the mold back in the day, because I need you to work in a factory just turning out people, turning out just go sit that workers and that's it. Yeah. And now it's not working that way, and it hasn't evolved enough to now work with how society is currently going. I mean, we haven't like the the computer courses I took in school.

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Stacey
Yeah, I would laugh now if anybody tried to, you know, if I tried to show anybody that's what we did is now use computer. I mean, it just it's so far behind by the time you get out of school that your way of doing things, it.

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Meghan
Just doesn't work. It's only that's hilarious, actually, because, mom always used to say she when she was doing computer, her computer classes were typing classes, so all she was learning was how to type, because at that time, all she was going to be was a secretary. and maybe this is where we get it from, but mom's comment was, I don't need to know how to type.

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Meghan
I will have a secretary, a secretary. So then when she told me this, however, 20 years ago, I was like, yeah, well, you have one. It's me. You had multiple children. The one of your children could be your secretary. I definitely so but but I will say that watching her type with two fingers is excruciatingly painful. So I will push her out of the way.

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Stacey
It‚Äôs the way Meg watch me type.

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Meghan
and I know we're being hard on post-secondary education, and I did do it. I took a diploma program. I took a post diploma program, but I.

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Stacey

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Meghan
I don't feel like it was worth it for the paperwork. Like the idea of going to college and getting that piece of paper now, in hindsight, seems ridiculous. The only thing that I feel like it got me was the ability to actually speak in front of a class, which I didn't do well even at that time. Like, I'm not saying that I automatically went there and all of a sudden I was great at it.

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Meghan
I'm terrible at it, terrible. I hated presentations and I argued and argued teachers. I felt bulldozed by teachers who were like, stand up and present, and I could barely speak. But all I learned from school, how I feel about it is that I got these certificates, these diplomas. I did the post-secondary. I spent a lot of money, I had a lot of debt, and I came out with something that I have never used since now, a minor course in business because it was a pre part of the schooling and that was a great idea.

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Meghan
Like that college. I just feel like I spent all of that time and all that money to become a more mature person, a great.

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Stacey
That's for sure isn't good part of years thing is that,

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Meghan
Unused loan that they gave me to travel like I was spending to a different topic. But I mean, seriously, who gives that amount of money to kids?

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Stacey
They did, because it works well for me.

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Meghan
Because the interest on it. That's because I know my two kids that same question, I, I have such a hard time with it now and then and like your kids are at that point, my kids I have another little ways before I have to deal with the are they going to post-secondary or are they not? And who knows what's going to change in the world in 8 to 10 years?

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Meghan
Who know, who knows?

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Stacey
And it's worked well for my kids because I mean, one of them didn't go, another one is going this year, and then another one's going next year and got into a university program, which they're ridiculous. Excited about. But I think that's right up your alley. That's totally up. And what they are like to do when they talk about it, they're passionate and then had one that has done an apprenticeship program.

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Stacey
So was in college, but mostly it was apprenticeship and like that. But they are beyond excited about what they do and what they were already doing before they went for the apprenticeship program. But that's how they also work as a person. That's how they are able to learn. They are the same as me or they don't like this.

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Stacey
One doesn't learn hands on sitting at a desk liking.

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Meghan
By writing a paper.

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Stacey
About. Not not at all. Oh my gosh, like dragged that one through school drag. That was painful. especially being online because it was Covid for the last little bit. So having to deal with that was it was difficult because, as we all know, in programs are boring. The teachers may not know at all, and some of the teachers are boring.

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Stacey
And it's hard to learn, especially when the teacher ends up getting this hate on for you or whatever it is, or you don't do. Well. No, the teacher doesn't help. And just, I mean, I would not want to be a teacher ever, ever. Kudos to you. Love being teachers because wow, I could never, ever, ever do that.

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Stacey
But trying to deal with let's say you have 30 kids in the house and all those different personalities, and each kid needs to be taught differently, but you're you don't have time to do that. That's not part of the curriculum doesn't work that way.

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Meghan
So it's not an individual's fault that the system is broken systems. Yeah.

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Stacey
Yeah.

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Meghan
I guess that's a better way to put it. It's not I'm not against post-secondary education, if that is if that's your bag. Great, great. That's incredible. Because there are certain things that I, I would prefer my doctors be trained fair. There are certain things that do need more education, more learning, more training, that kind of thing. What I'm angry about is the funnel of all kids need to go into that, that when that is not how it works, it doesn't work for those 30 kids in that classroom to be all exactly the same.

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Meghan
It doesn't work for those the hundreds of kids in that school to all do the same thing. In the end, I would just I would love some flexibility. I would love some actual individualized thought on These are human beings that get to grow into fully adult human beings. That's why I'm angry about it. It's fair. I was like, you don't want to have this conversation and you're going to get triggered by this education thing.

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Meghan
And now I am triggered by this education

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Meghan
You have plans to go to school.

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Right?

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Stacey
Yeah, yeah, I had big plans to go to school. I was going to go to, a design school and actually, like, do a costume horse and, you know, create costumes for theaters. And I thought that was the new greatest thing ever. And then I was like, oh, now the boyfriend showed up on scene, of course. and so then I was like, no, I'm going to gap year, by car.

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Stacey
And next year it was school. Well, as we all know, I was definitely one of those, like 90% who don't go on the next year. I didn't go, but I did go to what we call the school of Rose. So seamstress, who I was working for previously, I stayed on with her and then ended up I mean, if you guys are watching the podcast, then you know that this is what was how we started all businesses.

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Stacey
That was number one that worked for this woman. And then we ended up buying business. And, the amount that I learned from her was astronomical. It was actually how to tailor on real people how fabric, everything you could learn in a school. But it was real people wasn't on models. It was like, yeah, in.

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Meghan
Real time, in real time, in like learning from a real person, in a real business. Yes. As opposed to in a classroom setting.

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Stacey
Correct? Yeah.

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Meghan
Which may have actually been better for you as a personality

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Stacey
For me I need that and I know I need that now. I mean, back then, I think because I always needed I always knew that a little bit. but definitely that is how I just, best I need to do, I need to be hands on, and I need to be in the trenches of whatever it is that we're doing to learn it.

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Stacey
just this Yeah. Yeah, I mean, theory. Absolutely. Goodness. Now, you lost me at the T it was like what? that being the theory that. Yeah, I might be going to. I'm the teacher. There is a theory.

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Meghan
maybe we should have gone to school.

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Meghan
no, I'll equate it to, like, the things that we see now in the videos that we see now that are, if you want to do this in your business or you want to grow in this way, like if we have, we have so many goals that we're working on. So if we're hard into one of them and we'll see education or, or planning or videos, things that we're preparing for, and it's either you can do all of the planning on your own, which is very time consuming, or you can take this course and learn it in one go.

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Meghan
Yeah. And I am never sold on one being better than the other. Partly just that that worry that that course is not going to be the right one. Like there's definitely a part of that fair Yeah. But I, I guess that's it's very similar to how I see school because what if that class is not the right thing I didn't choose the right things to go to school for.

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Meghan
I had originally planned to go for law clerk.

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Stacey
Didn't that didn't happen.

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Meghan
Changed my change my course load three times before I actually ended up at school. So this is exactly my same problem. Now I'm like, we have this goal in the business and I could take this course to learn theoretically, to learn how to do it quickly. Yes, or learn it all on our own. And I feel like we are.

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Meghan
I feel like we trained ourselves to learn it all on our own, to do it the hard way, because we trust that we'll get the results out of it, as opposed to doing the course.

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Stacey
Taking the course

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Meghan
and maybe we'll get the results. Maybe we won't. Right. But we we don't try the course because now we're against the system.

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Meghan
We're not we're not conspiracy theorists or anything.

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Stacey
No, no, no, not at all.

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Meghan
I know it was, hard conversation a few years ago because in your household, it was a very dramatic divided. Yes. School. No school.

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Stacey
I'm a, I'm a. Go travel. Do do your high school diploma. And I'm very much a go travel. Put on a backpack and go live, meet people, see things, see how the world turns. Not in the view of where you've lived for the past ten years. I'm very much on that. And then when you come back at that point, maybe you have a little bit more idea of what interest you, and it could be something that you do have no idea about.

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Stacey
It could be a job that you didn't even know existed. So that I'm a big push for that now. Dilemma is my partner is a go to school. You make it through high school, you leave for school next year. And this was a this was a constant argument at our house, so much so that there was a time where we didn't really talk about schooling to much because a house argument.

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Stacey
and now we've both somewhat come together. We're still each kid is different. Like, like I said, when the kids are, we went to school and another one is going this year. And so it's, we have now left it up to them to be like, you decide. You decide. I mean, no matter what you need to you need to get a job, full time job to be able to afford things.

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Stacey
You can't just leave at home and then just totally your family's like, but it's very much, we leave it to the kids to decide.

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Meghan
So how do you how do you contain, like, you know, how when we're talking about all these different things that we can do, we have all these different plans, but we never settle on one, so we never do anything right. So I'm not I, I absolutely think that that's the greatest way to go about it. If they want to do school, do so.

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Meghan
If they don't, they don't. I absolutely feel like 17 is a little young to be deciding what you're going to do with the rest of your life, but in that same context, you're giving them the power to see where their life leads, which is great. But do they have that ability to know where their life could lead?

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Stacey
No, I think two of them don't. and two of them did. Two of them had a passion for the things that they're going for. and I think that's why it would be easier for them to go to do the thing. And you need they need a little help, a little push and to to get them into the courses and that kind of thing.

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Stacey
But the other two don't know. So I feel the other two are need to leave, need to go adventure and do life for a little bit. And then at that point I'm hoping that they come back and be like, oh my gosh, I tried this thing. I absolutely love it. So.

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Meghan
so where does that leave us? Would you change anything.

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Stacey
Of what I've done?

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Meghan
Would you go back and do school? do you do school now?

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Stacey
Ooh, I would do different school now because now, like, remember earlier I said that I didn't like geography I didn‚Äôt like, history and that kind of thing in high school. Now when I go back and learn that. Yeah. Like that only interest me now, I would go back and I would love to learn about, housing and how they built it and architecture and that kind of thing.

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Stacey
That is totally I find that super interesting. But that's also, I mean, over a long time later and so as, as life changes, your interest change. And I think that's also something to where when they talk about guidance or in schools in, they're like, what do you do for the rest your life. No. What. No. What do you wanna do for that's a little bit that's going to lead you to the next slide, because I think there's so many lives that you go through.

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Stacey
I don't think you need to keep the same job for your entire life. You're not in that society anymore because a lot of times they're able to change and to move on.

00:22:37:12 - 00:22:42:15
Meghan
Yeah. So I'm like, you graduate school, you get one job. You stayed at that job for 50 years. You retire like.

00:22:42:15 - 00:23:06:10
Stacey
It's not your gold watch. And then off you go. Like it doesn't work like that anymore. So I think, when I go back to school now. Yeah, but probably not school. School. I still have an extremely hard time. If you sat me in the lecture and had to listen to somebody, unless they were really great at talking, maybe like if they were very charismatic and like, if I could sit and watch, yeah, I'd probably be okay.

00:23:06:10 - 00:23:18:10
Stacey
But sin still for me is no go, no hands on send me to a house. I have to renovate, maybe learn along the way of renovating this house. I‚Äôm in

00:23:18:12 - 00:23:21:16
Meghan
You take that wall down and go. Oh, look at that.

00:23:21:18 - 00:23:24:23
Stacey
that was right. That was the supporting wall I started.

00:23:25:00 - 00:23:27:14
Meghan
We talk about supporting walls before we take walls down.

00:23:27:14 - 00:23:54:08
Stacey
Now, I think your entire life is for learning. Ooh. So I think it's a, I don't think school is a necessity for learning, certain things. I think that, learning is an everyday thing. Like this whole podcast. No idea. But, you know, months ago, if you said make a podcast, I, I, I, I don't know what we're doing.

00:23:54:10 - 00:23:55:05
Stacey
how do we do that?

00:23:55:05 - 00:23:59:10
Meghan
Like, I might have to throw in the we don't know what we're doing. We just sit here and talk Zoey does it all.

00:23:59:11 - 00:24:22:14
Stacey
But that's that's good. Thank you to Zoey yeah. But it's the idea of like how watching a set everything up. But I mean it's a, it's I think that that kind of stuff that you need to learn your whole life. I think it's important. That's fine. Like learning is much more fun when you're interested in the subject.

00:24:22:16 - 00:24:50:18
Meghan
I agree. I mean, I, I don't disagree with the eternal students. I had a eternal student in my first college course. I, I thought it was really cool because I didn't just I didn't dislike school the way that you did. I didn't hate going specifically. It definitely had rough times and definitely had teachers that I didn't get along with, but I loved the idea that she was just going to school to learn continually.

00:24:50:20 - 00:24:56:13
Stacey
This is neat. If you can do that kudus to you. Yeah. That's great. Yeah, that's not for me.

00:24:56:15 - 00:25:04:12
Meghan
None of it's for everybody. But I think that's the point that we need to think more as an individual versus a group mentality.

00:25:04:12 - 00:25:05:13
Stacey
Yes, yes.

00:25:05:19 - 00:25:11:18
Meghan
Agree. Figure it was best for us. Don't the man keep you down?

00:25:11:20 - 00:25:13:00
Stacey
Don't get me started on that.

00:25:13:00 - 00:25:23:10
Meghan
Do I need to stop saying that because it's two podcast in a row or something? and in the next episode, the conspiracy theories.

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00:25:27:12 - 00:25:49:18
Meghan
no, I don't think that it's unnecessary as an entirety. I think it is necessary in certain pieces. Yes, in certain courses and for certain people. Correct. It is the it is the aspect of. I'm just a little jaded from being told that my guidance counselor, that I won't be anything because I can't sit through a math or science class.

00:25:49:20 - 00:25:52:11
Meghan
And what will I do when my kids are that age and they ask?

00:25:52:12 - 00:26:06:17
Stacey
Or who knows? I think maybe at that point I think it school might have changed a little bit, and even the perception on going to school might have changed a little bit at that point. And I think it also depends on what the kids end up doing for school.

00:26:06:19 - 00:26:14:02
Meghan
Well, at the moment one wants to be an NHL player and doesn't play one tiny bit of hockey.

00:26:14:04 - 00:26:15:11
Stacey
okay. Okay.

00:26:15:13 - 00:26:19:14
Meghan
And the other one wants to be a veterinarian.

00:26:19:16 - 00:26:22:06
Stacey
Okay, I mean that that's school right there.

00:26:22:09 - 00:26:29:01
Meghan
That is a lot of school. I would she actually has to go to school. Yeah. To do that. Yeah.

00:26:29:03 - 00:26:32:04
Stacey
I think she'll just be a dancer.

00:26:32:06 - 00:26:37:04
Meghan
I think she'll just travel. She'll be one of those eternal students that's not actually in schools. It's just.

00:26:37:05 - 00:26:40:21
Meghan
Traveling.

00:26:40:23 - 00:26:42:00
Meghan
she beats to her own drum.

00:26:42:01 - 00:26:47:07
Stacey
Yes, she does. middle child. Go, middle Child.

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Yeah.

00:26:48:06 - 00:27:03:06
Meghan
I know this is a big topic, and I know it can be a very split topic, so I definitely want to hear about it. I mean, we're not the be all and end all. We have our own sides of it. I'd love to hear what you think. Who is pro post-secondary education? Just burn on It is what it is.

00:27:03:10 - 00:27:22:05
Meghan
That is what we have to do as a society. Like for for whatever reason. I'd love to know your reasons. So yeah, share that with us, because I want to know that. And then I would love to hear the other side, too. like, I feel like it's very it's conspiracy theories right now being like, down with the man.

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00:27:22:05 - 00:27:41:17
Meghan
No more higher education. But it's not actually how I feel most sometimes. Sometimes in certain situations. No, but I would love to know how many of you are listening. You feel the same way. Like, is it a shift in society? Am I just going crazy in my old age?

00:27:41:19 - 00:27:53:05
Stacey
No, I think it's all of the above and that's what I think. So yes, send your comments and and let's start a conversation about this. And maybe we aren‚Äôt crazy. If we are crazy .

00:27:53:06 - 00:28:00:01
Meghan
Maybe we aren't crazy. We are crazy, there's no question. But maybe we're on to something that's true.

00:28:00:03 - 00:28:01:06
Stacey
Thanks for watching guys.

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