Transcript of Sinders Sisters Podcast
E5: Fear And Rejection-A Side Hustle
In this episode, we delve into fear and rejection, exploring how they shape our personalities and journeys. Pushing past fear reveals our untapped potential, allowing for transformative shifts. We reminisce about our teenage aspirations and share adventures traveling abroad with our children, challenging common fears. Join us in breaking free from limitations!
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Meghan
Let's talk about fear today. Fear and rejection really jab that needle into the anxiety of everyone
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Stacey
oh sounds really exciting. Meg sounds like a great episode
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Stacey
Welcome to the Chronicles of Caffeine and Ambition, hosted by the Sinders Sisters.
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Meghan
I'm Stacey and I'm Meghan, and what we are here to do on our podcast is tell you about business, life, families, essentially everything that we do. We want to share with you because we have a lot of self-confidence. We've learned a lot of self-confidence over the years. We sure have, and we want to share that with you. We want to show you how.
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Meghan
Let's do this.
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Meghan
Now, I know you've always liked the spotlight, or at least more so than I normally do or I did.
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Stacey
Yes. Okay. Definitely more than you. I'm totally okay with being in the spotlight sometimes. Other times? No. I like to hide under a rock and just.
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Meghan
You're like the what? What's the new term for it? Because there used to be like, you're just an introvert or you're just an extrovert. Now there's like a combination of the two, like a chameleon that goes back and forth, whichever one that you need at that moment.
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Stacey
Yeah, that is me.
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Meghan
But the funny thing is that. So I would say when we were little, I started as an introvert, 100% to a tee like, could not leave the house.
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Stacey
Meg didn't leave the house. Oh my gosh. No .
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Meghan
that was pretty bad and I went beet red every time somebody spoke to me. I couldn't speak in public like public speaking at school was literally the death of me. Yeah. and you had, like, groups of friends. You were always going out. You were always doing something.
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Stacey
Oh, it was a total social butterfly. Could I stand up and, like, give a speech to people? No. Like I never did public speaking when I was young. I never put all the report cards would come back and be like, Meghan needs to speak more in class and like, Stacey needs to raise your hand more and participate more in class, because, I mean, if you raised your hands and everybody stares at you while you answer and you're completely mortified because you're like, just sounded so stupid, whereas now the being seen doesn't bother me as much.
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Meghan
Okay, fair. So we both shifted into that new term that I'm still not coming up with, extra introvert. I don't remember what it is. I have no idea. Look, I'm sick today, and I'm not breathing properly, and I have to move away from that potato mic when I'm not speaking because I sound like an older. So Meg's at the mic.
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Stacey
It's not.
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Meghan
It's not that bad I'm not Darth Vader, but that's my point. So we both morphed into this like personality of sorts. That is a part of our real life as well. But we morph into this thing where we can speak out loud and we can go to events and we can talk to whoever about whatever we're doing a podcast like.
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Meghan
Can you imagine when I was little, if somebody said that would be where I be in 30 years?
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Stacey
I would laugh, I would laugh is said either of us would be doing this as if, no, no. Absolutely not. No.
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Meghan
If you're so capable of change that this is where it comes to.
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Stacey
It's pushing past the moments of you're scared and so scared to go up on the stage like my heart still races. I still get a little sweaty when we go and talk to people. Whether it's a crowd of five people or a crowd of 100 people, it still makes you a little nervous. But that not do it. Because then when you do it, you bring those and you did it and it wasn't that bad.
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Stacey
And then the second time doing it isn't that bad. You know, it gets easier, easier every time. So but I think that's with anything that you do.
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Meghan
Do you remember that TED talk. And I sent that it was a really long time ago, couple years and I sent it to you. And I was like, I absolutely want to do this. It would have been horrifying for both of us. Even though this is only like two years ago at a time where we were already talking to people.
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Meghan
Our job is to be in front of people constantly. but this guy, he made this plan that he wanted to get rejected. He was like, how getting rejected, change my life or something. And he had like, this list of 20 things that he wanted to do so that he could show his mind, his himself, that being rejected wasn't the end of the world, so that he would be more capable of doing the things.
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Meghan
By far still one of my most favorite theories that if you force yourself to do the thing and good for him for forcing himself to do the thing that made him upset. But it was like ask a stranger on the on the street for $2. Like it's nothing crazy.
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Stacey
No, it was nothing that he did it traumatizing. I don't think I could do any of those things. And like you said, that's not a crazy thing. Was person and say no. Or you can pull $2 into the pocket for you, which I mean, extremely generous. So really.
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Meghan
I think that's that's the point to come to. And that is I've still several people as recently because I'm really big on getting over the fears. And I think it's because I have so much. and so when I have been talking to people recently and I'm like, well, what's the worst that can happen? They'll say, no. So , so what?
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Meghan
It's not it's not the end of the world now. But we're so afraid of hearing that now. In other news, I would like to do that still. No.
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Stacey
I knew you were going to say that, but.
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Meghan
One of our podcasts that would know what is it when they like section on the other episodes. But there's series.
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Stacey
Series. I do a series.
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Meghan
Of,
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Stacey
As being rejected. Yep. All right. It's going to be fun. Oh, it's going to be just dandy.
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Meghan
It's like an adrenaline high for you.
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Stacey
Maybe it is. I think she just prefers to watch me squirm.
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Meghan
To the general over me, to watch you be so uncomfortable. This is payback for high school. Oh, you’re Stacey sister. Oh, yeah. The other name’s Meghan
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Stacey
oh my gosh that episode that we need to have at one point. It will be. Will be great about Meg. Always. Because I was the social butterfly. Poor Meg always got that they knew who she was.
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Meghan
Yeah, people knew who I was.
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Stacey
Maybe you were, but you were Stacey sister
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Meghan
Yeah. I didn't have a name. No, I didn't have a personality. I didn't have, like, a thing. That was my own. I was just Stacey sister. Yeah. Which is fair. Honestly, in hindsight, like, it is not like I was annoyed, obviously, but I wasn't super bothered by it. But because I barely spoke. Yeah, I didn't show a personality to anybody.
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Meghan
It's not really unfair that they didn't think I had one fair.
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Stacey
I didn't have personality.
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Meghan
Like yours is. Yours. Is there? So what are the like? We faced some pretty huge challenges too. Like, I mean, regardless of starting businesses and those kinds of things, I mean like personal challenges. So it terrifies you to think that one day we would go out on the road and ask money from a stranger that could say, no, but we went to Barcelona together and they said, don't use the no.
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Stacey
They said, don't use public transit, Meg and Meg. And we took a taxi to this place. They said, don't use public transit. And then we took one more taxi, pay the absorbent amount that it cost us in the taxi. And Meg turns to me and says, we are not taking a taxi anywhere. We're using public transit. So in my head, I fell apart.
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Stacey
I was like, oh my God, they said, don't take it. And we didn't. We? It's going to be bad. We're all going to die.
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Meghan
We're in a strange country. You there? But that was only your second trip, right? You didn't England and.
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Stacey
Been England and.
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Meghan
Yes. Yeah. Second trip abroad. Yeah. but they weren't locals, I suppose. Is that the other thing? Like, the people that told us this were not locals. Either they were Canadians or Americans because it was part of the job. That's why we were in Barcelona but , So should we have listened to these people? Maybe. I think we tried, but I also.
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Stacey
Think we weren't going into a terrible portion of the city. We were majority downtown. I don't know, we're just like, do we pass some sketchy areas in the taxi? Yes.
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Meghan
They were mostly outside the city too, though. Yeah, like in India, right? We didn't really go much further than the hotel to the marketplace that we were like where the work was.
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Stacey
I mean, we walked around all that and that wasn't scary at all. I mean that was it was big. We did a lot of walking and I didn't ever feel scared except for one part when we ended up some sort of alleyway which wasn't like it is actually street.
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Meghan
Why were we on this alleyway?
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Stacey
Oh, for our mother.
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Meghan
Yeah, because mom told us to go down that alleyway.
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Stacey
Some sketchy, I'm pretty sure, straight as killed. So that's you on office somehow
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Meghan
You want to travel, go back, meet them. Guard down this alleyway. It looks really sketchy.
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Stacey
Then that's what you want to do? Yeah. We had to go get a yarn from this specific shop in Barcelona. Barcelona?
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Meghan
Barcelona?
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Stacey
And we had to go get her. Whoa. Now, mind you, though, when we got into the shop, it was pretty gorgeous. It was spectacular, but it was very, extremely narrow streets. And we had a baby with us because we want to travel with babies and travel when it's like we have a bunch of kids with us and things are extremely stressful.
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Stacey
Time to travel. But that was fun.
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Meghan
That was really fun.
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Stacey
Do we put ourselves in positions of like, very scary things? Yeah, all the time. So I don't know why I get upset about the thought of somebody rejecting, because it's not as if these times are we're not getting rejected at these times, but we're pushing through fears of things like we took the subway every day at least twice, if not three times a day.
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Stacey
We would take the subway in Barcelona.
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Meghan
Multiple subways.
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Stacey
Multiple. I would make me get off. I wouldn't even know, Stace get off the get off of subway. And I'm like, oh, this is our stop. Okay.
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Meghan
If we take the blue line to this exit and then we jump onto the red line on this exit, and then we could probably take the tram over to there. We could walk like a better kilometer. It's okay. We'll get to where we need to go.
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Stacey
We push past years just in different ways.
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Meghan
But if you push past fears and rejection as a fear, then why can't we push past the fear of rejection?
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Stacey
Fine, because we can.
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Meghan
I would have thought. That I would be the one pushing you to push past your fear. But it is totally just what you're exposed to. Oh, absolutely. Because I had traveled a bit. I had traveled before that, and I had lived in Ireland for a little bit. And I think, absolutely, there are places that you shouldn't go. There are bad things that happened.
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Meghan
We're extremely lucky to have not had anything bad happen, I agree, but if you don't try the thing then you're not ever going to get past that fear either. So I mean, there has to be some amount of safety in it. But if you're whether you're traveling or whether you're staying at home like we do go downtown Ottawa, there's there's places and I don't know what we should do.
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Meghan
We shouldn't.
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Stacey
Be going. Yeah I agree. Yeah.
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Meghan
And I my worry, my part of what I think about it is that because people are so afraid, we only focus on those aspects. True. If somebody else in the middle of nowhere Ontario is like their thought process could be, well, I can't go to downtown Ottawa. There's too many muggings and stabbings and like, it's dangerous there because it's true in relation.
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Stacey
Yes. And it's one section majority of the time it's not in the entire downtown core. Do you forever live your life in fear of what could, what might and what you heard? Because what you heard, is it true? Is it the exact truth? Is it you know?
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Meghan
Or is it based on fear to begin with? Maybe, I don't know. And now I'm probably not ever going to go to Winnipeg because it's the crime capital of Canada. I don't even know if that's accurate anymore.
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Stacey
I know it did used to be. Yes, but I but you're right. Who knows what the facts are?
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Meghan
Who knows? I still don't know that I would go to Winnipeg.
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Stacey
Honestly, it's a remarkable place and wanted to go see.
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Meghan
No, nothing. Yeah. It's not really making the list.
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Stacey
No. Sorry. Winnipeg.
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Meghan
Sorry. From anyone who is from Winnipeg. Please let us know what the best things are that we should go to Winnipeg to see. Yes. Oh, that's a good idea. So when we were young then what did you think that you were going to be doing with the rest of your life?
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Stacey
Oh, man, I was gonna be a designer. Yeah, I was going to like fashion school, and I was going to be, but I don't remember when that started. Like, I think it was decently young because I wanted to be a model at first, and then that got squashed real quick from my parents.
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Meghan
I mean, I would have to maybe agree with them. Like we grew up in the time of Kate Moss.
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Stacey
We did. Oh man, it was bad. Yeah. Yes. And that's essentially what models look like. And yeah. Oh I appreciate it and take that path for sure. And then I wanted to be a designer and that was, that was young I guess.
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Meghan
Well like you did that whole show, the fashion show that you did was high school.
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Stacey
That was. Oh yeah. Yeah. But that was like later high school. I want to say that was my last year of high school, I think. So when we did that for one of our classes. But I guess that was sort of the dream for the longest time I did have. Oh, when I do have a book that would have been, oh my gosh, grade probably 4 or 5, something like that, maybe.
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Stacey
And by plan in the book was that I had said that I was going to live out west on a ranch with horses and a log house. That was my plan. So how well, that was then?
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Meghan
I don't think I knew that.
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Stacey
Meant I had it somewhere. One of my storage shelf things.
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Meghan
I'll tell you about the other day, like because he's talking about having a diary.
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Stacey
Yeah.
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Meghan
and he's like, did you have a diary? I was like, well, I had a bunch over the years. I don't know where they are.
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Stacey
But I've got two notes, right? I'm sure we threw them out. You absolutely are not allowed to see them. Haha. No ... no Oh, you can read those one. I'm dead. That's my biography.
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Meghan
Existential crises.
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Stacey
Oh my Gosh
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Meghan
Oh, I filtered through. I definitely wanted to be a vet at one point. Oh, I remember that. Yes. there was one time I totally remember helping serve supper, and I said that I wanted to be a waitress because I could hold a bunch of plates and stuff.
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Stacey
That's awesome.
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Meghan
I'm not positive that went over well, but I think maybe they just ignored me. But I mean, traveling was definitely one of the things that was always in there.
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Stacey
Yes.
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Meghan
Yes, I remember the chalkboard that we had in the bedroom. Of course, I can vividly picture the list of places that I was writing on the chalkboard or the places that I wanted to go. And I remember the Jamaica was on there too, and I did not love when I was in Jamaica. I will totally blame the location that we went to because it was so touristy and people were like, it was literally just give me your money.
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Meghan
So I will blame it on that. I would give it another chance. But I can vividly remember writing Jamaica on that list.
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Stacey
That's cool. Yeah, you made it to one of those things that's really cool.
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Meghan
I don't remember the other places, so hopefully some of the other places that I've been to were on that list as well.
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Stacey
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Meghan
The traveling.
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Stacey
Definitely drama. I remember yelling at mom at one point about how much I disliked living there, and then I couldn't wait to leave, and I was going to join the Navy of all places. Interesting. I don't know why the Navy I don't my choice for you, I know, and I just don't think I would do well with people telling me what to do.
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Stacey
Just don't do that. Well, yeah, I don't know why. And the navy, of all things I don't like the ocean. It scares the crap out of me. yeah, I was get on a boat. I was going to join the Navy, I was leaving, I'm out of here. Going to see the world.
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Meghan
I ran away once.
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Stacey
Over to Jamaica at the front porch. I don't know.
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Meghan
Like satchel packed. Like I thought it was dark. It was dark. We lived in the middle of nowhere.
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Stacey
It was like, let me put this in context for you, that we lived on 50 acres in the middle of nowhere at that time. And like, we had to walk like, oh my God, how long we'd have.
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Meghan
I think it was a kilometer just to get to the road.
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Stacey
Yeah. You're not going anywhere
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Meghan
I wasn't going anywhere. I was so angry. I packed a bag and sat on the porch and then got really angry about the fact that I couldn't go anywhere. I was young
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Stacey
So awesome.
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Meghan
Yeah. I don't think anybody would have guessed that where we are now is where we would have ended up somewhat related to the things that we that we wanted to do with our lives.
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Stacey
Fair, but so different. I guess. I always, as a parent, now that I'm five kids and looking at them worried about what are they going to do, they can't even make themselves food. How on earth are they going to live? You know, so worried about they need all these things. And probably, I'm sure our parents worry too of like they can't function on their own, or they know they think they're going to go live life and we're out of here and do this thing and you're like, oh my gosh, you can't, you can't leave.
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Meghan
I would have to ask mom that, because she was so angry that I wanted to travel. And that's part of the reason I put it off for longer than I would have originally. Like I would have gone earlier if I if it had been completely up to me. And in the end, it was completely up to me. As an adult, I made my decisions that I held back longer than I would have because she didn't want me to go so badly.
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Stacey
I mean, it wasn't so long ago I realized that we lived in a house that was fear driven, and it was easier to live within the four walls that we had in a safer. We knew it was happening. Everything was like predictable. And that's the way they like to live, and which is great. But there was never spreading of anybody's wings to go and do and fly and try new things.
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Meghan
And the outside is scary.
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Stacey
The inside scary.
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Meghan
The unknown is scary.
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Stacey
Absolutely. Yeah. So it's taken a long time to get over that. As myself get over the fear and the part. I'm sure that's why we were so quiet as kids. Probably right. Everything was just fear driven.
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Meghan
Yeah, yeah, you're probably right. And yet we faced a ton of things to now that others wouldn't. I don't remember the catalyst. I don't remember why it started happening. That's not fair.
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Stacey
you know.
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Meghan
I started when I started traveling. Okay. Oh, you know why? Sorry. I kissed the Blarney Stone.
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Stacey
You can't right there.
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Meghan
That's when it started. That's it.
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Stacey
I'm just going to make it there.
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Meghan
Everybody just got to go to Ireland because the Blarney Stone, it's got to figure it out for you.
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Stacey
I don't do, I mean, for me, I don't do very well being told what to do or told that I can't do something. And so I guess for me, that was more of a catalyst than anything else to keep going there, to do the things that were scary because we can do anything, which is really funny because we had to do everything, you know, raised on this farm, we had to make our own food.
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Stacey
We had a garden, we had chickens, we had woodstove. We had to come home from school and, you know, put the fire on and make sure that the animals were fed by 13 cats at one point. We always had dogs like it was crazy, but we were responsible, taking care of ourselves. We had to cook food with. I mean, mom always had dinner on, but it was we wanted something.
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Stacey
We had to do it. We had to make it. So that also helped in a lot of ways. And I never did really well when somebody was like, well, you can't, because we were always taught you had to. And I don't know if that was our parents or her parents, as well as our grandfather, who was extremely hard on us.
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Stacey
And it didn't matter who we were. I mean, we had we have another sister and it was all girls in our house. And it didn't matter that we were girls.
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Meghan
No, I never once remember that coming out.
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Stacey
Never, ever. There was never, ever a thing that ever came out of anybody's mouths in our heads of like, but I am just a princess, and I don't have to do that, man. I mean, if I came out with one of our mouth holy smokes, we better start running.
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Meghan
Smack upside the head. go pick up the eggs and the chickens.
00:18:13:26 - 00:18:21:29
Stacey
Exactly. Yeah, yeah. No, you had to. And the story. There was so much fear for certain things, but so much drive for other things.
00:18:22:01 - 00:18:33:13
Meghan
Yeah, because even though I'm moving out of the city was drive. Yeah. They still had neither of them had lived in the country. Neither of them had built a house. Neither of them had had animals before. Only like farm animals like that before.
00:18:33:13 - 00:18:39:23
Stacey
Good point. So crazy. I think you're right. It's the. They did. They got told they were crazy to.
00:18:39:28 - 00:18:40:22
Meghan
Be doing something.
00:18:40:22 - 00:18:50:11
Stacey
Yeah, yeah. And don't get us wrong, like it was a good life. I mean, looking back now, it was. I'm glad we grew up the way that we did. We essentially homesteaded and it was awesome.
00:18:50:16 - 00:18:57:18
Meghan
It was. And it made us who we are today. And yet we are incredibly driven. We are incredibly capable. Yeah. And we'll try. We'll try whatever.
00:18:57:20 - 00:18:58:12
Stacey
Absolutely.
00:18:58:13 - 00:19:06:08
Meghan
Which is probably where it came from. Yeah. Regardless of the fear, upbringing showed us that we were capable of it. We were capable of pushing past the fear.
00:19:06:14 - 00:19:08:01
Stacey
Yeah. Which is pretty amazing.
00:19:08:06 - 00:19:12:00
Meghan
Which means that we are going to be doing a podcast about getting rejected.
00:19:12:02 - 00:19:13:25
Stacey
I was hoping she got off that already.
00:19:13:27 - 00:19:17:12
Meghan
Trying to distract me and distract me. Talking about travels.
00:19:17:14 - 00:19:21:18
Stacey
All right. Deal? Deal I’m in In next series. So keep watching.
00:19:21:20 - 00:19:26:06
Meghan
Follow along with us because, I mean, that's what we want to push fast. Yeah. To show that it's possible.
00:19:26:09 - 00:19:29:27
Stacey
That the biggest thing to show that I mean, we did it so you can do it.
00:19:30:00 - 00:19:37:22
Meghan
And we'll be there for support if we need to. If you want us to follow along, like subscribe. I don't know the words yet.
00:19:37:24 - 00:19:41:00
Stacey
We'll see you next time or you'll hear us next time.