Transcript of Sinders Sisters Podcast
E15: The Path to Success: Mastering Goal Setting and Pivoting
In this episode, we dive deep into the evolution of our goal-setting journey over the past two decades. From the early days of dreaming big to the present, we discuss the importance of both setting and reaching goals, as well as the significance of the journey itself. We share personal anecdotes about pivoting our business during challenging times, like the pandemic, and the realization that sometimes the goals you start with aren't the ones you end up pursuing. Tune in to hear our insights on leadership, personal growth, and the flexibility needed to adapt and thrive in both business and life. Plus, get our take on two thought-provoking books, "Le Dino Anxieux (https://amzn.to/4esuAgd) " and "The Motive: Why So Many Leaders Abdicate Their Most Important Responsibilities, (https://amzn.to/4c7BNRg) " and why they might just change how you view your own ambitions.
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Stacey
Tick two.
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Meghan
How many different variations of goal setting do you think that we've been through over the years?
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Stacey
You can't just throw that question on me. I don't know a lot.
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Meghan
And we're talking like 20 years. We've worked together since I was 16. Correct . So.
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Stacey
So that would have made me 18. 19. Yeah.
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Meghan
And then we've owned since 2005, 2006, which we can never remember. Nope.
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Meghan
That's it.
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Meghan
Our brain capacity is a different story.
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Stacey
A lot I couldn't even, I don't know, off the top of my head.
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Meghan
So, I mean, I think that's the point of what I want to talk about because we reach the goals or we pivot to make the goal something new. Correct. So in goal setting, the goal itself is important. Getting to the goal is important. That journey to get there is just as important as the goal itself.
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Stacey
Welcome to The Chronicles of Caffeine And ambition hosted by the Sinders Sisters.
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Meghan
I'm Stacey and I'm Meghan and what we are here to do on our podcast is tell you about business, life, families, essentially everything that we do, we want to share with you because we have a lot of self-confidence. We've learned a lot of self-confidence over the years. We sure have, and we want to share that with you. We want to show you how.
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Meghan
Let's do this.
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Meghan
I don't think I've said this before on the podcast and I'm going to butcher it, but there's a kid's book and it's in French and a bit anxiety. So the mum says to the anxious little dinosaur or something along the lines of if it hasn't finished the way that you want it to finish, then it's not yet done.
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Stacey
I love that.
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Meghan
And it's one of my favorite quotes, though I can never remember the exact wording for it. And my translation of it never works because the French version of it is perfectly phrased. Yes, and I can't translate it correctly in my brain the way that I want to, but I love the idea of that, because to me, goal setting is about reaching the goal.
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Meghan
And we've made, I don't even know, hundreds, hundreds of goals for ourselves over the years, for ourselves, for the business, for everything. Some of them we've met and some of them we haven't. But the ones that we haven't have never deterred us.
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Stacey
No. Because I think once we realize after the first few goals that we hit, I think we realized after that it's not actually the goal. Because when you get there and you get whatever it is that we were going for, it's great. Feels good for a day. And then you're like, what's next? So I think we've realized that it's getting to that goal is the journey.
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Stacey
And that's the excitement and the ups and the downs and the the failures. I think for me is much more fun than it is to finally get the thing.
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Meghan
Which has a lot to do with being able to pivot in the business as well. Well in life, in your normal personal life, being able to pivot but also in the business, that's what's kept us going. Because in the hard times, in the times where we didn't meet the goals in the pandemic, I mean all of these different aspects of how things can go badly in your business, meeting the goals or not, just meant that we pivoted to a different goal.
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Meghan
Yeah, we pivoted what the business was capable of. We pivoted our roles in the business, which is what we're currently doing. Like right now. Yeah, we are pivoting what we do because our goals have changed.
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Stacey
And sometimes the realization of that pivot, too, is a bit of a kick in the face. That's what I felt like with this current one, was what you thought you were going for, and you wanted really bad, and then you were getting there, and then all of a sudden you realize, I really don't. I really don't want that at all.
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Stacey
But it's kind of cool to be like, I guess, aware enough to be able to pivot and go, oh, well, a while ago, my soul for a second, and then be like, okay, well what? What do I want to do? What is it that now makes me feel good?
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Meghan
Well, it took me longer to get to that realization. At this current moment, the goals that we had set for ourselves, or I suppose I should only speak for myself, the goal that I had set for myself and what I thought I was capable of and good at is dramatically shifting.
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Stacey
Yeah.
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Meghan
And I'm in the middle of that, which is very difficult. And then I realized where we read this book called The Motive.
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Stacey
And by the way, to cut Meg off, great book. We were recommended to read the book. And then I think is it's a really short read. I mean, for me, I don't read a lot, but I listen to audiobook and it was one of those not all inspiring because it was not inspiring. It was a kick in the face of what do you really want if you are an entrepreneur, if you're looking to be a CEO, read the book.
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Meghan
It's a it's an eye opener. I think that's one it's an eye opener about yourself and how you see the job that you do correct and how you see it impacting others. And it's about leadership. It's about CEO being a leader. So yes, I totally agree. recommend that book. Absolutely. But that's what I sent you that message on Sunday.
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Meghan
Yeah. Because last week when we read it, going through the Tim Hortons drive through and I asked you about the book. So like, I as if I think you assumed I hadn't read it yet. So you were trying to tell me your breakdown of it, and I was like, oh no, I read it. I know I read that I read it already but I wanted to know your take on it and what you thought about being a CEO after having read that or having listened to it.
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Meghan
And then I still wasn't far ahead enough in my thought process, even after having read it to be at the point that you were at, like you were further ahead than me. It took me several more days to digest the fact that that isn't where I am now, and that isn't what I want to do anymore.
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Stacey
Because we've held on for a long time to the idea of being there and getting to that point. But now that we were essentially we've been trying to do that job for so long, but it's not congruent to who we are.
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Meghan
Anymore, or our future goals or.
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Stacey
Future goals just don't fit into that. And I really just don't want to do it. I don't want to be a CEO anymore.
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Meghan
This is not a resignation podcast.
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Meghan
it’s not
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Stacey
That job description.
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Meghan
That I don't want the description to be. That to me, it falls into the goal setting.
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Stacey
Yeah.
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Meghan
Because we had that goal and we had we had our business. We were running our business. We did it on our own. We had to be those people. Correct. And there are a lot of aspects of being a CEO, of being a leader, that are things that I think that I'm good at, that I learned to do very well.
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Meghan
And over the years, having learned what it is to give myself to that role, the disparity between what you need to do in that role and having boundaries really kicked me in the face. Yeah, lack of boundaries just made it impossible as a long term aspect. Yeah, I burnt myself out. I killed myself for other people. It just it didn't work.
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Meghan
So that was my realization on Sunday. The goals that we have right now are different than the goals that we had, when that would have been our job description. and I appreciate my capabilities and myself well enough to say that. I think I did that well for a few years, learning as I went better at some points than others, but to the detriment of myself.
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Meghan
And I don't want to do that anymore. But so then in that, in this mental inner monologue, am I capable of setting those boundaries to be able to be that person properly without killing myself by trying to do it and try it, but the be all and end all for everyone. And the answer is no, I'm not capable of setting those boundaries of learning how to be that role.
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Meghan
I can be the support system, the one who listens, the one who helps, the one who cares. I like doing that. But if I don't have the boundaries to protect myself set in there, then I'm not actually doing that job.
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Stacey
That's so true. Yeah.
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Meghan
So no longer is that our goal.
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Stacey
Yeah.
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Meghan
Been there, done that. Also learning at this exact moment that been there done that. Not very well. So let's move on.
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Meghan
So what are our current goals?
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Stacey
Current goals are shifting responsibilities on to those who do it extremely well, tasks that we do not do well. And I think we've already started doing that, but also doing things that we're good at or that interest us or the spark, that flame, again, because I think that was a big thing that we lost for a long time, was the exciting things about, I know every day is going to be exciting, and your job isn't always an exciting, like great thing, but I think you need to be able to go to your workplace or go whatever it is you do, and be somewhat excited.
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Stacey
Most fulfilled at the end of the day. So I think that's really important that I think we need to move towards that or we are moving towards that. And what is that? I can't quite tell you all yet.
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Meghan
So we're still in a flux state.
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Stacey
Well, yes. Kind of. I mean, we know where we want to go.
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Meghan
Traveling the world. We're taking over the world, pretty much pinky in the brain.
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Stacey
yes. It has to do with a lot of travel. So that's our biggest thing now, because really, we were tied to the building, tied to the desk, to our phones, to everything within the business. And now I just don't I don't want to be there. Anyone that did that long enough built it to where it was built.
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Stacey
And now at this point, it's so big that this isn't a good job for us anymore.
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Meghan
And I think that's a very good way to put it. It has become bigger than us. Correct. We've known for a long time that we don't need to be the smartest or most capable people in the room, not at all. Finding those people and putting them in place to cover everything that we needed to cover, that we aren't even capable of covering Correct . as the bosses, as the owners, as the founder, whichever word you want to use, whatever.
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Stacey
You wanted to.
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Meghan
Yeah, we were not capable of every aspect. Yeah. At this size of company. Agree. So we brought people in to do it. Yeah. And then we step out and move into a different direction. Correct. Start something new. Yeah. Which was another realization the other day which was fantastic. And this has to go with our next goals. We realized that we are really good at starting.
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Stacey
Yes, I love that from the ground up thing like that, grind that, love that.
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Meghan
And we know that consistency is not our it's not our forte.
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Stacey
No, no, it is not.
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Meghan
So that's why we find people to run after we start. Yeah. But it's incredible. And I think it's something that we overlook often that the startup phase is scary for people. It's the reason why a lot of people don't start their businesses. That's fair. Don't do the project that they want to do. It's a lot of the reason why people don't reach their goals because they're too afraid to start or not even afraid.
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Meghan
That might be unfair. There's so many pieces to put into place
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Stacey
There is.
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Meghan
That they don't start because they don't know where, where, how or which piece
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Stacey
Yeah, well, there isn't ever one right piece to start with. I think it depends on whatever what business you're doing. I think one step in front of that. That's all we ever do. Just one step in front of the other. Start with this and then start with the idea and then make all right, what's next or what's after that.
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Stacey
And then it will fall into place for you because things will get missed, which happens. And that failing at not even failing, but missing something is part of the journey. So that when you do it the next time, you don’t forget that thing. I think that's what I enjoy about it. The climb.
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Meghan
The excitement in the beginning. It's the adrenaline rush of the beginning portion. Yeah. Which is something that we are very good at. Yeah. We've learned over the years to be good at it. I mean adrenaline addiction is a real thing. So maybe we're.
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Stacey
There. Maybe, maybe we have a little problem that.
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Meghan
It's like when the plane starts when we go on the plane and then that takeoff portion, which is usually what scares people.
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Stacey
I love that takeoff part. And so my husband and I are polar opposites at that point. He does not like planes, he doesn't like flying. He loves to go places and he will fly to go to the places. But he's the one with his hands like gripped around the handles. It's just hanging on for dear life. And I'm the one with my hands up in the air.
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Stacey
And being like you. Yeah, it's a good point.
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Meghan
I'm not saying it's a bad addiction. I'm just saying maybe this is something that we've gotten used to, and that's why it doesn't bother us to start the piece. That's. Yeah, we're not good with failure. I joked about that myself at home this weekend. I don't know if you I was talking about our other sister. I was like, I don't know if you know this, but we don't like failure enough.
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Meghan
Caused a bit of laughing death.
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Stacey
Because we're not good at failure
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Meghan
But we are very good at pivoting, so it's just a different way of looking at it. If it's not finished the way you want it to be, it's not yet done. Correct. Which is why it's one of my favorite quotes that I love, that because I will will pivot, will, will flex, will move in a different direction, keeping the angle in place.
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Meghan
Yes. Or a marginally shifted version of the end goal. Yeah. Because there's always one aspect like I mean our one of our biggest goals at this moment that we're working toward is travel, but not not a grand overall all encompassing travel. As much as yes, I would love to travel the world just for fun.
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Stacey
Just cause whatever.
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Meghan
If we are planning a specific business in a different country and a, a location, a castle if you will. I try not to give away our goals.
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Meghan
but if we're planning one specific thing, we're good with this country. That country. like, the shift is still there. The end goal stays in sight.
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Stacey
That's very true. We're actually here.
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Meghan
And a business in that country stays inside. Correct. But there are so many pieces of that puzzle that are flexible.
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Stacey
But I think you have to because can you imagine being like, this is the only thing that's all we're doing? And then if you never get to it or things like, maybe you want that thing so bad, but it's not actually supposed to be exactly that way. I feel like we're very much letting things slide once if it's not meant to happen.
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Stacey
Someone and we talk often about like a white carpet moment, because if it's meant to happen that way, it will flow easily into it shouldn't be constantly like, oh, if this didn't happen, I'm going to push again at the same thing and try and open the same door. Well, maybe that door isn't supposed to open open the next door and it could lead you to a bigger, better place.
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Stacey
Or it's very similar to what you were looking for, but better for you as a person.
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Meghan
Yeah, I completely agree. No, but I think that's why people struggle with it, struggle with goal setting and with hitting their goals. Struggle with failure because you look at it as failure because it's not that exact thing that you had in mind. It didn't take every single box. So it's not right.
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Stacey
Which is crazy because I mean, if it's meant to happen, then it's going to happen. And if it isn't, let it go.
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Meghan
We also consider ourselves workaholics. So that goes along with diet as well. Yeah a lot of people I think will hit a point where they feel like they've worked too hard for something that's not working and they'll give up, which I have to admit is valid, because if you don't have either the passion or the or the addiction to starting the that adrenaline rush, then you aren't going to last as long.
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Meghan
Yeah, trying to make it towards your goal because that wasn't the thing to begin with. That's true. Do you remember a goal that we set that we didn't.
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Stacey
Hit, that we want to say like becoming a designer? Like I wanted to be a designer forever, but I guess I kind of did. We did our own line for a bit, and then it just fell through once we got to that point of designing the dresses. And then once I realized that it wasn't exactly how it wanted to be, and it was such a pain, and there was always all these awful loopholes and was absolute pain to do.
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Stacey
And then I was like, oh, I want to do this. This isn't for me.
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Meghan
It's just not that you didn't hit the goal. Is that going to college and going like going to school to be a designer, that didn't happen.
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Stacey
That didn't happen. No, that's very true. That part didn't happen. But I mean we still design dresses afterwards. Very good point.
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Meghan
You did become a designer. We had our own line of gowns.
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Stacey
I can't think of one that we feel design.
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Meghan
That's kind of my point. We didn't want because we don't like failure. And we're very good at convincing ourselves that it's not failure. As long as we shift it to something else and keep moving.
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Stacey
Yeah. That's fair.
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Meghan
Also works into workaholic because we keep moving. So I suppose that's kind of how it goes. It depends how hard you're willing to work for that thing. And if you feel like that and goal is that is it. That's what you want to be. To do that shining star in your life, you have to keep working at it.
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Meghan
Whether it means that you're working head on at it. Yes. Or you're doing five other side jobs working at that piece and learning that piece. It may not be school, it may be something on your own. It might be like, I mean, there was something that I it was somebody trying to sell a course, but there was something online that I saw the other day that was talking about, you can do all the courses, or you can learn all the aspects that you need to learn to do XYZ for free online.
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Meghan
If you're dedicated and have the time, it will take the time and it will take the dedication you have to keep with it and you have to be able to self-regulate in order to make it to the end of all the learning that you need to do X, Y, z, or you can do this course and I am saying it, it was a sales.
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Meghan
It was a sales, of course. Yes of course, because the sales pitch. But it's valid. How hard do you want to work at it. How long do you want to put toward it? How important is it to you? Is it something that you're willing to throw money at to make it quicker and you get the paperwork? Or is it something that you feel like maybe I'm not ready?
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Meghan
And a few other aspects, so I'll take the time. I'll learn on my own. We do have a problem wanting to learn all the things on our own. Yes, and I only say problem in the sense that we put too much on ourselves. We do too many learning things, too many facets, sometimes do set too many goals. And if we just contained and work toward one, we would be done a whole lot faster.
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Meghan
Yeah, that's true, that's true.
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Stacey
We do. Yeah. Not good at streamlining.
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Meghan
We do not streamline.
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Meghan
We're like squirrels. Yeah. I'm too many.
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Stacey
Nuts on caffeine or.
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Meghan
Caffeine. Caffeine and ambition. I mean, there's a reason that the podcast is called Caffeine and Ambition. So tell me what comes to the top of your mind? What goal did we reach?
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Stacey
second location.
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Meghan
And we've talked before about the, like that realization of that day. Not even the first day.
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Stacey
Wasn't even the first day it opened. I wasn't even at all. It was like months later when we drove around the corner was just random. All of a sudden. Yeah, but we we talked about that in another podcast. what was an moment of, oh my gosh, we did it.
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Meghan
Look at us, look at us, look at us. And it was like it was something that we had talked about for a couple years at least.
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Stacey
Oh yeah.
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Meghan
Maybe. No, actually, that's not even fair. We've talked about that since the beginning because your comment was we're going to be as big as Kleinfeld.
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Stacey
Yep. I did, and Meg laughed at me and I laughed.
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Meghan
Yeah. And I'm, I'm more on the dreamy boat than I was back then.
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Stacey
Just getting good. Got her on board.
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Meghan
But we did talk about a second location for a very long time, and then worked toward that second location we did for at least a couple of years, I believe.
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Stacey
Oh yeah, because if we looked like in time, we ended up in all over the countryside looking at places and trying to find the right commercial space for the next spot. Yeah. So, I mean, things don't happen overnight, although they feel like they do. Once you get to the other end of it, you're like, Holy crap, that was so fast.
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Stacey
But it wasn't. It's been years in the making, but they go by so fast.
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Meghan
I did see something great about that. Like a quote about it doesn't matter how long I think you sent it to me, it doesn't matter how long it takes. Once you get to the end, it's going to feel like it happened overnight. It's so true how much time you're willing to put into it to make that go happen.
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Meghan
Yeah, we've used a lot of quotes over the years to to keep us focused on what we wanted to get to.
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Stacey
Yeah.
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Meghan
and I remember even very early on, because I think you were further I've always been further into this, and I have a very I used to be a lot more analytical and still more analytical than you are.
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Stacey
I'm hands down the dreamer. Yeah. Hands down, I kind of. You know what the stars said last night, Meg?
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Speaker 3
We did a lot of that.
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Meghan
And I kind of float halfway between the two now, which is fun. but even very early on, you made me, was, like, puffy boards.
00:19:39:00 - 00:19:39:20
Stacey
Yeah. Then I could.
00:19:39:20 - 00:20:08:01
Meghan
Put quotes on, and I had one of my favorite quotes about entrepreneurs not giving up because entrepreneurs are the want to quit is there every day, every day. And what makes an entrepreneur is just not quitting? Yep. Just not feeding into that desire to quit because sometimes it would be a whole lot easier to do something else, to do something simple, something that didn't matter and make the time outside of your job to fulfill yourself.
00:20:08:01 - 00:20:15:01
Meghan
Yeah, it's one way of living again. Addiction to adrenaline, to rush, to owning, to building, to starting.
00:20:15:06 - 00:20:15:27
Stacey
Yes, that's.
00:20:15:27 - 00:20:18:07
Meghan
What makes a entrepreneur, in my opinion, to.
00:20:18:07 - 00:20:21:24
Stacey
Seeing something through certain. So something from the ground up. Yeah.
00:20:21:24 - 00:20:29:19
Meghan
Love and love and being so proud of it. Yes. Like when we saw the second location we drove up that day and, and the pride of. Wow, look at us.
00:20:29:22 - 00:20:30:20
Stacey
Yeah. Did it. Yeah.
00:20:30:26 - 00:20:54:22
Meghan
So I mean, sorry, terrible segue, but I found the quote for the book is Le Dino Anxieux. And please ignore my French. The I'll translate in a second as best as I can, but the quote is “Si ça ne se termine pas bien, c’est que ce n’est pas encore fini” So if it hasn't finished, well, if it hasn't finished the way you wanted, then it's not yet done.
00:20:54:22 - 00:21:10:04
Meghan
Keep trying to keep working. It is by far one of my favorite quotes, and I should either printed or put it on the screensaver or something. Yes, I yes you should. I don't know how long it's been that we have been embodying that. If it's not the way that we like it yet, it's not done. Keep working at it.
00:21:10:07 - 00:21:26:11
Meghan
If I don't get the answer that I want for something. And I'm not saying that we're terrible people. Oh, use not use a terrible word right there. I'm not saying that we're terrible people to like, get things in the way. Like you just keep pushing or you don't respect when somebody is telling, you know, where they're telling you this way or it can't be that way, right.
00:21:26:14 - 00:21:40:15
Meghan
But there's always flexibility. Agree to me. Notice and it's not it's not a no. It's never a no to what else can we do. Right. What can be done right. You don't that not that option. Sure. Okay fine. But what about what.
00:21:40:15 - 00:21:42:25
Stacey
Are the door. What are the doors there exactly.
00:21:42:25 - 00:22:00:03
Meghan
There always is. And so we've been doing that for a very long time without even thinking about it. Just moving, shifting, getting to where we need to be without moving around. Everybody standing in the way or saying no or saying it's not possible. Yeah, just keep working. “Si ça ne se termine pas bien, c’est que ce n’est pas encore fini”
00:22:00:06 - 00:22:14:02
Stacey
I think my favorite quote that I've had on my board forever, I think it was I actually don't know who said it. I say Einstein, but I don't think that's right. She who attempts the absurd can achieve the impossible.
00:22:14:04 - 00:22:18:08
Meghan
Go again with it. How many people are going to tell you that? That's insane. That's crazy. Why would.
00:22:18:15 - 00:22:31:25
Stacey
You. Do you know how often we used to get to how often we get all that stuff, like even at the beginning when I was, I would say things and you're like, oh my God. And you just shake your head. Like, in the beginning we would be like, sure, Stace But then you would just shake your head after a bit and then after a bit you wouldn't say anything.
00:22:31:25 - 00:22:34:21
Stacey
And now you're like, in with it. You're like, all right, that sounds great.
00:22:34:21 - 00:22:45:14
Meghan
Yeah in my defense, even when I shook my head or rolled my eyes at you, I still then came up with a plan of how to make it happen. Or instead of that, how about this?
00:22:45:17 - 00:22:46:12
Stacey
Can we try this first?
00:22:46:18 - 00:22:55:25
Meghan
We try this little bit here, and then we'll work toward that maybe. And yes, now in a little further in that. Okay. Cool. Yes. I'll get a plane to that.
00:22:55:26 - 00:22:56:19
Stacey
I realize that's.
00:22:56:19 - 00:22:59:03
Meghan
Great. I just want to tell you that I'm shifting the plan
00:22:59:03 - 00:23:00:24
Meghan
Well, this maybe . That’s fine.
00:23:00:27 - 00:23:04:27
Meghan
If it was. Just take that back a little bit. We'll get here at this time.
00:23:05:00 - 00:23:05:05
Meghan
In.
00:23:05:05 - 00:23:08:15
Meghan
A few years. own a really castle? Sure, sure.
00:23:08:17 - 00:23:10:16
Stacey
why not of course we will
00:23:10:18 - 00:23:25:06
Meghan
Yeah. A lot less people. A lot less people. Say that's absurd, but it's true. Yeah, and but I think people are used to us coming out with crazy sentences and then laughing, and then they don't know whether we're being truthful.
00:23:25:08 - 00:23:32:24
Stacey
Because probably the next, like we said, lots of things and we show up the next day doing the thing or have done the thing and people are like, oh, oh, they were serious. So yeah, you're right.
00:23:32:28 - 00:23:37:22
Meghan
Or we go to a networking event and then randomly throw into the conversation that we, we started a podcast.
00:23:37:25 - 00:23:40:11
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah. How many things are you doing?
00:23:40:12 - 00:23:47:09
Meghan
Two. Many many. You should listen to it.
00:23:47:12 - 00:23:54:22
Meghan
yeah. Goal setting is extremely important. But to me, flexibility of how you get to that goal is even more important than the goal itself.
00:23:54:23 - 00:23:55:26
Stacey
It's 100% agree with you.
00:23:55:27 - 00:24:06:18
Meghan
Yeah, yeah. So the mode of the book that we talked about, and definitely if you're in your entrepreneurial journey, if you're in that trying to grow your business and if you have people that work for you.
00:24:06:18 - 00:24:07:02
Stacey
Yeah.
00:24:07:05 - 00:24:08:18
Meghan
Highly recommend. I agree.
00:24:08:21 - 00:24:09:15
Stacey
It's a quick read.
00:24:09:17 - 00:24:17:17
Meghan
It's worth it is quick. Yeah. and then I mean, if you really want to read Le dino anxieux , it's a great book.
00:24:17:20 - 00:24:19:29
Stacey
You can probably get it in English as well. If you speak French.
00:24:20:01 - 00:24:21:27
Meghan
Probably get it in English, and you.
00:24:21:27 - 00:24:23:02
Stacey
Probably get in a bunch of languages.
00:24:23:02 - 00:24:44:26
Meghan
I mean, it's good for adults as well, but I've definitely used it as a I am 100% one of those moms that uses the books, specific times to try and teach my kid a lesson. You don't need to be anxious about that. Yeah, it really isn't that big of a deal. You need to shift your mindset. So I am that person.
00:24:44:29 - 00:24:48:20
Meghan
but it works for adults, too. I think I used it on Chris one day. He did.
00:24:48:22 - 00:24:49:19
Speaker 3
They did.
00:24:49:22 - 00:25:04:05
Meghan
Yep. Okay. So recommend those books for sure. And then if there are others, I think we said this before, if there are other books, like if you've read books, please let us know because we're always consuming videos, podcasts, books, anything.
00:25:04:07 - 00:25:12:28
Stacey
Anything that's helped us out on the journey. A massive of course, it's helped us out on the journey. and I think would help. But other people have a bit to share. Share what you've learned. Share what you know.
00:25:13:00 - 00:25:21:22
Meghan
Yeah, absolutely. So let us know if you've listened to or read something that you think would help everybody or us on their on their journey. thanks for listening.
00:25:21:25 - 00:25:22:08
Stacey